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    Exhaust Manifold Nuts Loctite or Loc Nut?

    Thanks to this site i was able to turn a $2,200 quote to fix a not faulty turbo into a 50cent repair. I found that the nut on the lower last stud of the exhaust manifold was missing. Purchased a new nut and tourqed it up with 1/2 inch socket set all was good until i checked a day later and nut was loose again. Put the socket on the top rear nut and that was also loose. The question is should i be using some loctite, lock nut, spring washer? I had read that the face on the manifold should be machined so that the nut sits flat i cannot see if mine is sitting flat. It is a 2000 td5 with 185k on the clock the manifold seems to seal up nicely when i tighten the nuts.

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    Loctite, spring washer and nylock nut wont work, The manifold gets to hot.

    You need to remove the manifold and have the face machined. They bend.
    Its not where the nut sits, its the side that goes onto the head.

    Replace the gasket, all the studs and nuts, Use the correct nuts they are a flanged nut with anti rattle grooves on the face.

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    Have you done the rest of the mod with the manifold?

    I did mine last weekend, and all has been good since.

    New studs, new nuts, new gasket, cut the webbing out, enlarged the outside holes, and even gave it a couple of coats of VHT paint, just so it looks pretty.

    The torque isnt much on these, but there is no real reason that it should have come loose again.

    If you do look at using loktite or similar, it is going to have to be high temp stuff... that sheilding around the turbo is there for a very good reason.

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    If you're using this type it should be ok. Make sure to tweak the other 2 nuts to even out the load on the flange and studs, these studs have been known to sheer.

    Not sure about the loctite, heat generally releases it's grip so I cant really comment whether it'll be effective.


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    Thanks guys,

    I have used the flanged nut and have now checked the other nuts ,the top end one was loose so maybe now it might hold better.

    Basil i haven't done the rest of the mods the manifold seals fine when the nuts are tight. We are leaving in two weeks for a 3 month trip with family and camper so i am watching this very closely.

    Woko, i just mean't that there was advice to machine both surfaces as it was said that the angle of the surface from manufacture is not square so the nut does not sit flush, which might be my problem.

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    there is a high temp thread locking loctite you can get that will work in this application. trust me on this, dont use it.

    while you have the exhaust manifold off for repair coat the threads very lightly with a silver antisieze then use the nuts as pictured above, better is to use the dome waashers and normal taper lock nuts.
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    I replaced all my studs with an equivilent bolt&washers...

    So far is great, problems at all... and if anything did break in the future, alot easier to remover and replace.

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    Put a straight edge or spirit level on the side that bolts up to your cylinder head. That will tell you if its warped or not.

    If it is you will see a gap between the spirit level and face of the manifold.

    If its warped you will need to get it machined as it will keep blowing exhaust gaskets.

    Both surfaces that bolt up together should be nice an clean, so a good seal forms.

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    You can get a specialist high temp lock nut from AFAIR boat suppliers.
    They have a "floating" stainless steel disc at the top which jams onto the thread. They are specially made for exhaust applications.
    I remember going to St peters in Sydney to buy them but I cannot remember the company.
    I put them on my Porsche 924 Turbo as it had the same undoing problem.
    Regards Philip A
    These look similar
    http://www.industrysearch.com.au/Pro...Lock-Nut-83648
    Last edited by PhilipA; 10th June 2011 at 09:34 AM. Reason: more info

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    Thanks again for all the replies,

    My situation has got worse. We were away for the weekend and i checked the nut after a 200k drive and it had rattled off. The top rear nut was still tight. I put another nut on and tightened it up and the stud eased its way out broken at the start of the thread on the engine block. The car is making any of the whistling or screeching sounds so the car still seems to drive ok. MY question is do i bite the bullet and now remove the manifold and renew all the studs remove the webbing etc or do i just retap the broken one given everything sounds ok. I have done things like my own servicing, oil pump bolt, injector harness, is this something i should take on myself or just get a dealer to do.


    Regards

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