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    Suspension lift advice

    I am going to lift my 2000 D2 TD5.

    The original plan is +40mm springs with shocks to suit and then 50mm coil spacers.
    Now i have worked out i will need to cut the front shock tubes down 50mm so the shock eye to eye distance comes back to within the original travel range of the shock.
    Likewise in the rear i am going to relocate the lower shock mounts on the diff so the distance is normalised. It also brings them up from below the diff case.
    Now i have been told that castor correction bushes dont always work in disco's and most of the time they dont worry about installing them. Is this true or will i need to install them.
    Also with the approx 4 inch lift will the drive shafts handle the extra length?

    Any help or advice will be appreciated.

    regards Sam Wells
    PS. please refrain from all the legalitie issue comments with whats involved with what i'm doing.

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    There are kits 4" lifts, with out cutting shocks etc, but over 2 inches you are in the realms of castor correction, extended brake lines, front cross member adujustment and so on. Its 2 inches or be prepared to spend serious money.

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    Agreed, at +2" I find the steering to be much better (well to my liking) much more responsive w/out being violent and doesn't tramline too badly unless it's a road where it would happen anyway and then it's no worse.

    I have lovells HD +2"s in mine but without the front and rear accessories (apart from a winh in a custom mount behind the original bumper) that you'd normally require to use the HD vs std duty. This gives +80mm due to the lack of weight, I do need some longer shocks but until then the brake lines are ok as they bottom out before reching full extension. Allows running of 265/80's as well with the extra clearance. Driveshaft is also ok, doesn't hit the crossmemeber or full angles on the joints (though this may change when AI change the shocks. Also the ABS wires are ok but will also need extensions.

    And the engineer was ok as they are officially +50mm.

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    Ok thank you. Well if anyone can find shocks that will fit a disco 2 which can handle 4inch's extra travel please tell because i'm pretty sure they dont exist.

    I've already got a fix for the brake line and ABS cables worked out. As for the front cross member i dont see how it could interfere with travel.

    Castor correction is not a big issue i would just like some advice on whether i should install it with the lift.

    I am wanting to run 285/75/16 without any scrub issues or body cuting, because the 50mm spacers have the same effect as a body lift by pushing the end point of the spring away by 50mm

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    hi m8 , i've got the 3" terra firma in mine and run 285/75/16s no prob's ,from memory it ended up being 4"front & 41/2 " rear very happy with the result.tony
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    Quote Originally Posted by sam_51 View Post
    Ok thank you. Well if anyone can find shocks that will fit a disco 2 which can handle 4inch's extra travel please tell because i'm pretty sure they dont exist.

    I've already got a fix for the brake line and ABS cables worked out. As for the front cross member i dont see how it could interfere with travel.

    Castor correction is not a big issue i would just like some advice on whether i should install it with the lift.

    I am wanting to run 285/75/16 without any scrub issues or body cuting, because the 50mm spacers have the same effect as a body lift by pushing the end point of the spring away by 50mm
    They do exist BUT you'll need to change the bottom mount to the Rovertym mount, then get the short body long travel 7100 series Bilsteins from the US, 10" or 11" travel is about the length you'll need, you will need to have the shocks rebushed to suit the D2, the shocks can be had at eshock, the new mount at Rovertym OR just buy the whole 4" kit from Rovatym.
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    Sound like a good little project

    The front cross member needs to be spaced to allow the front tail shaft room to move.
    The shaft just touchs with a 40mm lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redback View Post
    They do exist BUT you'll need to change the bottom mount to the Rovertym mount, then get the short body long travel 7100 series Bilsteins from the US, 10" or 11" travel is about the length you'll need, you will need to have the shocks rebushed to suit the D2, the shocks can be had at eshock, the new mount at Rovertym OR just buy the whole 4" kit from Rovatym.
    ROVERTYM
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    ESHOCK
    eshocks.com: Off-Road Shocks: Bilstein 7100 Series Shocks

    Front lower shock mounts
    .

    If you are ordering bits from rovertym get their front shock towers. This way you can lower the height of the top mount as they are adjustable, OR since they are a 1/2" bolt the same as the lower mounts you can simply put a set of fox or something straight in there.

    You cant see now how the front cross memeber becomes an issue now but once that front dif housing starts to droop especially with 4' of lift you will soon realise that the front drive shaft will hit it.

    As for castor issue have a look at Les Richmond automotives website they sell castor plates in 2 and 5 degrees i believe. These will roll the front housing back to the appropriate position depending on the amount of lift you are wanting to run.

    Doing things like lowering shock mounts etc is illegal depending on what state you are in, however in QLD a 4' lift legal is a daydream.

    There are a couple of kits around that are an all in one solution such as the terrafirma that greend2 runs, Georgesadlik runs the rovertym kit with great results also, my least favourite is the white tiger kit from les richmond. They do things like lower shock mounts and space coils, and its engineered in VIC. it just depends on how much you want to spend.

    i personally dont think that coil spacers are an ideal way to do a long term lift as you are really just limiting the up travel of the coil. As does dropping a shock mount. The rears arent anything special you can run just about anything i run fox 2.0's and am wrapped!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam_51 View Post
    Ok thank you. Well if anyone can find shocks that will fit a disco 2 which can handle 4inch's extra travel please tell because i'm pretty sure they dont exist.

    I've already got a fix for the brake line and ABS cables worked out. As for the front cross member i dont see how it could interfere with travel.

    Castor correction is not a big issue i would just like some advice on whether i should install it with the lift.

    I am wanting to run 285/75/16 without any scrub issues or body cuting, because the 50mm spacers have the same effect as a body lift by pushing the end point of the spring away by 50mm
    Nissan GU/GQ rear shocks and revalve one of the sets to suit. I use Bilstein.
    You will hit the cross member with the front shaft
    Castor correction, not a biggie on the D2 like it is with the classics. See what happens first
    Try 4" springs rather than dodgying a 2" lift + spacers. These are from Lovells, Suspension stuff (labeled as 3"), King and a couple of overseas suppliers like Rovertym (labeled as 3") or SafariGard.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_51 View Post
    I am going to lift my 2000 D2 TD5.

    The original plan is +40mm springs with shocks to suit and then 50mm coil spacers.
    Now i have worked out i will need to cut the front shock tubes down 50mm so the shock eye to eye distance comes back to within the original travel range of the shock.
    Likewise in the rear i am going to relocate the lower shock mounts on the diff so the distance is normalised. It also brings them up from below the diff case.
    Now i have been told that castor correction bushes dont always work in disco's and most of the time they dont worry about installing them. Is this true or will i need to install them.
    Also with the approx 4 inch lift will the drive shafts handle the extra length?

    Any help or advice will be appreciated.

    regards Sam Wells
    PS. please refrain from all the legalitie issue comments with whats involved with what i'm doing.
    Dont bother cutting the shock tubes down. That stupid logic, if anything you should be raising them up and running longer travel shocks to suit.
    Driveshaft length is affected all that much due to the suspension geometry in comparison to the driveline geometry.
    The DC joint will wear more.
    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    Nissan GU/GQ rear shocks and revalve one of the sets to suit. I use Bilstein.
    You will hit the cross member with the front shaft
    Castor correction, not a biggie on the D2 like it is with the classics. See what happens first
    Try 4" springs rather than dodgying a 2" lift + spacers. These are from Lovells, Suspension stuff (labeled as 3"), King and a couple of overseas suppliers like Rovertym (labeled as 3") or SafariGard.


    Dont bother cutting the shock tubes down. That stupid logic, if anything you should be raising them up and running longer travel shocks to suit.
    Driveshaft length is affected all that much due to the suspension geometry in comparison to the driveline geometry.
    The DC joint will wear more.
    If you lift them let me know I have a set of 30mm spacers for them drawn in cad n ready for the water jet. I run them in the front of mine n they work great to fit the 12' fox

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