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Thread: Fuel pump...or fuel tank...or??

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    Sorry to re-boot this, but with the long weekend coming up (in WA), I thought I'd start doing some work on chasing this issue down - or at least providing info for the workshop to warrant the pump.

    One question that keeps nagging me, if it were an electrical issue, would it be unreasonable to think the problem would be there all the time, rather than when the tank gets down to 1/4?

    Similarly, wouldn't a physical blockage of the screen/intake (as Ian experienced), be present whether I had 135 litres in or 13 litres.

    1/4 tank is the point when the issue becomes apparent - from there up to full, there is no cavitation and no dip & recover of the revs after starting (as mentioned, this is exacerbated by high ambient temps). I have no idea what 1/4 relates to in litres in the Long Ranger as the gauge reads "full" for 400kms before moving

    Of course there is the possibility I have received two dud pumps in a row - but in reality how likely is that?
    Cheers
    Mike
    '00 D2 Td5 'Alice'
    '03 V6 Freelander 'Phoebe'
    '04 Td4 Freelander 'Harry'

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    I assume the pump assembly has a method of keeping the level of the swirl pot high (i.e. so the pump remains submerged) when the fuel level in the tank is lower than the top of the pot and fuel can't naturally flow in. I know how it works on a D1 V8 so I assume its somewhat similar on your pump. I'm suspecting there's a jet pump arranged off the pump outlet (or the fuel return line) that sucks fuel into the bottom of the swirl pot, with a rubber disc non return valve to prevent the pot emtying after switch off. I'd be looking very carefully at the swirl pot and its bottom inlet fittings for clues.

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    Bee utey,
    Are you meaning like a surge tank?
    If so pretty sure td5's don't have a surge tank.
    Just fuel pump with a pick up tube that goes to about 5mm off the bottom of the tank.

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    Similar symptoms appear when you have worn-bad injector o'rings and washers(assuming yours is a Td5)

  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disco W.A View Post
    Mike,
    I have the same tank and have had the same noise since the tank was fitted in early 2010 with no ill effects.

    Roger
    Correct! The steel tank resonate when running low - Lara made noise from the day the tank was fitted and was on the original pump when sold 7 years later and it whined when down to 1/4 or less every tank.

  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by turps View Post
    Bee utey,
    Are you meaning like a surge tank?
    If so pretty sure td5's don't have a surge tank.
    Just fuel pump with a pick up tube that goes to about 5mm off the bottom of the tank.
    Fuel pump has the "surge tank" built in to its design.

    Bottom of pump should touch bottom of tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Correct! The steel tank resonate when running low - Lara made noise from the day the tank was fitted and was on the original pump when sold 7 years later and it whined when down to 1/4 or less every tank.
    Hey Tombie! Long time no speak
    Yes, I wondered if the "noise" was associated with the design of the tank/change in material (plastic to metal), and yours and Roger's experience seems to suggest this is part of what is happening.

    But at 1/4 and below, in cooler temps I will get a lot of noise from the pump but have 'learned' to allow a full prime before turning the key. Otherwise I may get a start followed by a dip (almost stall) and then recovery as the system primes fully. In hot weather if I don't follow this procedure, I will get a 'no start' and have to go to initiate the 'dry tank' recovery via the throttle pedal (5 pumps etc).

    I did change the copper injector washers (as Fatman mentions), but will have to check when...maybe a year or two ago? So perhaps I should start there and 'assume' the new pump is ok until other variables are eliminated. However I don't want to run out of the workshop's warranty period. It just doesn't feel like a blockage or electrical problem, but that's a gut feeling and not based on empirical evidence...
    Cheers
    Mike
    '00 D2 Td5 'Alice'
    '03 V6 Freelander 'Phoebe'
    '04 Td4 Freelander 'Harry'

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