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its not really on road i was thinking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
i notice there isnt much discussion between auto and manual.
i would say that manual requires more effort, especially in off road situations like sand but its worth it imho. all my cars are manual, and auto annoys me.
also the cost of auto replacement is more i believe.
auto's eat manuals on sand.
V8 auto's eat turbo auto's on sand.
Get a TD5 Manual then. They might be the bottom of the food chain but cheapest to feed. $140 to fill the tank with diesel is cheaper than any car that eats other cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift
Happy Days.
I seem to recall you wanted an auto at first :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Eevo
And you don't NEED to hit 4k with a Td5, that's not where they make the most power.
IMHO the ZF box behind either of the D2 is a top notch box, you can drive it essentially as a manual.
Yes, it's probably more expensive but it comes down to personal preference.
As has been stated time and time again, a good remap makes a Td5 all the more drivable.
Mine's only running the later factory software from what I can gather and it's a pleasure to drive.
In the end, buy whatever you want and **** everyone else :D
Your auto must have a low stall torque converter or something. There is no driving mine like a manual. This and my current other car, a Skoda Yeti are the first Autos I have owned for over 18 years and the Skoda is not totally an auto as in it doesn't have a torque converter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
I would say you can drive the Disco Auto like a constant velocity transmission (CVT) but nothing like a manual. The stall lock up on the standard torque converter felt silly the first time I drove it. I have become used to the engine reving to over 2000rpm before the vehicle realy starts to accelerate. I can pretty much accelerate and keep the tacho needle between 2950 - 3000 rpm from start to target speed. The gear changes are smooth is that's what you like. It was just very unfamiliar when I first drove it. Engine braking on normal road driving is pretty much non-existant. slowing from 40km/h the engine will just drop to 1200rpm or so and the vehicle will just roll into a corner needing you to do all the slowing down with the brake pedal.
My Skoda is another kettle of fish and very much just like a manual. It is better descrided as a manual with an automatic clutch. When it's in gear the wheels have constant mechanical connection to the engine just like a manual, no torque converter slop inbetween.
If you think you can "drive it essentially as a manual" you have not driven a manual in some time or your gearbox is different to the standard Disco gearbox. Maybe you have a heavy duty, low stall converter?
Happy Days.
cant of been me. i hate auto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
exactly. im ont talking about most power/torque. im talking about holding power when your doing something and cant gearchange, like on soft sand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
useful rev range for the tfd5 is ~1500-2500 so about 1000rpm
useful rev range for the v8 is ~ 1500-3500 so about 2000rpm.
although diesel makes more torque per cc, its useful rev range is half that of the v8. can you see where im going with this? at a technical level, its the beginnings of the difference between petrol and diesel.
Seeing as Eevo is talking off-road, so am I.Quote:
Originally Posted by joel0407
Box into M mode, you might as well have a manual sans clutch. The engine braking in L1 is phenomenal. I think everyone is a little confused when driving them at first, I was taught you wouldn't be getting much out of the engine upwards of 2800ish in a diesel (manual), and that rings true for the vehicle I spent all of today driving (manual). So I'm familiar with how a manual vehicle is to drive, or rather how non-Td5 diesel engines drive. They take some getting used to. I have a 1km drive down to the highway in the mornings, the box doesn't lock up and the Td5 happily pulls well past 3000rpm.
If you want more engine braking, shift the lever back to 3. You might be surprised. I believe this is actually in the owners handbook for around town type driving.
The drivetrain on my D2 is entirely stock to my knowledge.
So no, perhaps it's not exactly like a manual, however I never said that ;)
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Originally Posted by Eevo
^Remember this? :p
I think you might find there's a bit more to a well maintained Td5 than that rev range, and it's not an issue on sand if you have an auto :)
The td's get much better economy when trudging through deep soft sand but arent up there with the v8 for sheer grunt in sand. I say that from experience.
Cheers
Ohh and the bent 8 manual form is excellent in sand though auto has a sligjt edge in high range mainly as it gears down. In low range the manual is sweet and the v8 has great torque just off idle. Those knock sensors help as do 8 pots of 4 litres that dont require a hair dryer spooling up. Cheers
Can you see the part that says partner and sore knee?Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
I'm not saying there is an issue on sand with an auto. I think it's easier.