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Thread: TD5 Surging around 2,500 rpm

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    justfishing Guest

    TD5 Surging around 2,500 rpm

    Hello,
    Well been trying to sort out my TD5 again, had the classic case of injection loom as back firing, missing and so forth. So done a few things and read the faults so looking for a point in the right direction.

    1. New harness and cleaned plugs NO oil at red plug.
    2. changed regulator for new 4 bar one
    3. Re-checked the plugs for oil none any where
    4. checked boost box output
    5 It does not go to limp mode

    Now a few points I have tried already

    1. Driving without the MAF connected the surging is 100 times worse
    2. New fuel filter
    3. checked metal filter in head.

    The fuel pump seems to run all the time, the faults read are.
    1.TPS high reading
    2. EGR stuck closed ( been removed )

    I have a VNT turbo, is it possible for them to be the problem ?? Possible timing issue ? Crank sensor ?? Possible MAF to much air ?? As I can see a slight of haze of gray smoke. Also run LPG, a point taken is that when I filled up the car with gas did lose some of the surging.....fuel pump again ?? Fuel pump was new last year done less than 10,000 km..it was a VDO genuine one. Anyway if anyone has some ideas then many thanks.
    Ian
    Last edited by justfishing; 18th July 2014 at 08:12 PM. Reason: typo

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    Hi, just to clarify, you have a VNT turbo, an LPG injection system and a boost box, correct? some questions:
    1. what other mods have you done? did you eliminate the wastegate modulator or it's still there?

    2. the EGR modulator is still there or it's plug is free?

    3. this symptom came all of a sudden or progressively started to behave bad?

    4. is yours 10P or 15P engine?(year, manual or auto)

    5. remapped or not?

    6. larger or standard intercooler?

    by having a boost box you can't rely on the readings you get on the MAP cos the voltage is limited, you better fit a pressure gauge and measure the real boost... read live data and see the AAP sensor's reading, does it fall when you floor the throttle?

    describe as well as you can everything and we'll figure it out

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    justfishing Guest
    Hello,
    To answer some of what you asked.
    It is a 2004 Auto
    the boost box I made works as a volt switch so at 4.5 volt switches on a regulator set at 4.7 volts so the readings are true till about 20 psi have a boost gauge
    a 18p engine
    The wire just hanging there no modulator always been like that fitted it on last month no change
    I am trying a different pump later today, hopefully......
    It has a re-map over a year so not that, the fault is new slowly getting worse no diesel in the oil

    The things I am looking at now are the engine loom and connectors, the turbo hose to the actuator, not sure how to check injectors I have no faults can they still not work properly ?? The turbo is a Turbo Technics S208 possible sticky veins ?? I am just ruling out things
    I am concerned the TPS has a fault.
    It really behaves like the injection harness is still faulty, but brand new I did seal up the connector before installation.
    Ian
    Last edited by justfishing; 19th July 2014 at 09:52 AM. Reason: spelling

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    The TD5 will keep getting enough fuel for light throttle even though the fuel pump is dead. Breaking the supply line, eg, R&R the fuel temp sensor, will result in the engine not re-starting, so I suggest that you don't investigate until you can get by without the vehicle until a new pump can be sourced.
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    Hello,
    A bit of a update......
    Well been working on the car all morning changed the fuel pump as have spare still the same. So put a new actuator hose on the turbo as had trouble before. I checked the oil at the plug on the head it was dry. So the plug on the engine harness has a nice big rubber seal on it so I prized this out and found it damp with oil enough to cause problems. Cleaned it all and went for a spin. It went much better, but now it missing at 3500 rpm and sort of fades a bit sort of fades a bit, so maybe on the right track. I do not have any gauge to test the fuel pressure. I did look at the red plug and very dry the pins as sealed separately there but might have a look later. I am still a little conceded about the timing as since I had the head off there is little more black smoke and slower to spool the turbo and higher egt's which makes me think it still is a little retarded maybe. The timing pins do go in.
    Ian

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    yes, the timing is very important, you told me about the wastegate modulator but nothing about the EGR modulator...so if the EGR modulator is still there unplug it cos as the valves being removed the ECM keeps it constantly under power trying to force it work and it puts load on that circuit and your's being an auto might suffer from that cos the status of emission controll is part of the CAN

    to rule out the TP sensor if you have a tester read the outputs on live data and as long as track 1 + track 2 = supply with track 1 growing as you push the pedal the potentiometer is good

    the CAT is still in situ or do you have a de-CAT downpipe fitted, cos if it's still in situ you better rule this out too...undo the pipe from the turbo and try this way (just disregard the noise during the test)

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    Hello,
    The TPS is very suspect as getting faults as below read today
    (1,5) DRIVER DEMAND PROBLEM 1, (LOGGED LOW).
    ---
    (3,5) DRIVER DEMAND PROBLEM 1, (LOGGED HIGH).
    ---
    (3,7) AIR FLOW CIRCUIT, (LOGGED HIGH).
    ---
    (4,1) INLET AIR TEMPERATURE CIRCUIT, (LOGGED HIGH).

    I have a 3 inch straight through exhaust...... the engine harness is also high on the list to replace the engine is pulling very well. The modulator plug is off. Any ideas how to disable the EGR module the pipes are off but the wires are still connected I not sure if I can disable this with my EVO or not. ???
    Many thanks for the replies..... I will do a few more things tomorrow....
    Ian

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