r380 oil capacity

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Originally Posted by stevearm77

I tried Castrol Syntrans & Penrite Pro Gear, didn't cut it for me like Redline Mt-90 did, having said that I havent tried Motul Gear 300 yet, might give it a go next time

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In my experience, Rick is right. Motul Gear 300 is expensive and very good. I found Syntrans improved the shift until it got hot and then the shift quality declined. 300 improves the shift further and isn't affected by heat.

I last towed a trailer on a 44 degree day (same day the SA fires started) and the gearbox was faultless in operation.

I would be interested to hear what you think of Gear 300 compared to Redline because the Redline is about half the price. If it worked just as well it would be good buying.

I have been running Syntrans in both the R380 and LT85, which have both done lots of towing all over Australia. I find it excellent, and the extended change interval makes the price reasonable.

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Originally Posted by steane

I would be interested to hear what you think of Gear 300 compared to Redline because the Redline is about half the price. If it worked just as well it would be good buying.

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In my experience I found Redline to give a slightly notchier upshift compared to Syntrans in the R380.
I always double de clutch/heel and toe down shifts so can't compare.

In the Patrol gearbox MT90 and Syntrax 75w90 were indistinguishable in characteristics, up and down.
I'd happily run whatever was easier/cheaper to get.

I used to find 20,000 km was the absolute limit of Syntrans, it would start to shear around that point and shift characteristics would deteriorate.
John, bush65 found the same.
This doesn't happen with Gear 300, but I'm not an advocate of extended drains on gearboxes as the contaminant levels rise, (no, or only rudimentary filtration) and the R380 only has a relatively limited oil capacity compared to, say, the big Patrol box or even my partners little Ford Courier. (Sadly she had to give back the TD5 130 she used to drive when she left the family farm)

Gearboxes are hell on fluids and shearing is common, and engine oils in gearbox use experience this much more rapidly.
It's really surprising with Syntrans as it's a Castrol Germany designed fluid, fully synthetic (POA's and esters) and I'm pretty sure it uses some pretty clever viscosity index improvers that mimic base oils and so resist shear, but what I think it does is illustrate how demanding a simple gearbox application can be.
Texaco's MTF94 was a really good fluid for cooler climates but it also only has a limited life being a syn fortified mineral oil and it's been unobtanium here for long time.
Redline MTL was an excellent replacement but I preferred Syntrans, cheaper and at the time, easier to get, but Pat303 had been running it for years in his Tdi and loves it, and I think that car has over 400,000km now.

I remember JC mentioning one day how idiosyncratic the LT77 and R380 can be, as some of his customer cars still shift better with ATF.

Not trying to upset those in the know but;)
Im a convert for Redline Mt-90 it works well in my 04 R380 in the cooler climate down south and the summer months:cool:

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Originally Posted by rick130

In my experience I found Redline to give a slightly notchier upshift compared to Syntrans in the R380.
I always double de clutch/heel and toe down shifts so can't compare.

In the Patrol gearbox MT90 and Syntrax 75w90 were indistinguishable in characteristics, up and down.
I'd happily run whatever was easier/cheaper to get.

I used to find 20,000 km was the absolute limit of Syntrans, it would start to shear around that point and shift characteristics would deteriorate.
John, bush65 found the same.
This doesn't happen with Gear 300, but I'm not an advocate of extended drains on gearboxes as the contaminant levels rise, (no, or only rudimentary filtration) and the R380 only has a relatively limited oil capacity compared to, say, the big Patrol box or even my partners little Ford Courier. (Sadly she had to give back the TD5 130 she used to drive when she left the family farm)

Gearboxes are hell on fluids and shearing is common, and engine oils in gearbox use experience this much more rapidly.
It's really surprising with Syntrans as it's a Castrol Germany designed fluid, fully synthetic (POA's and esters) and I'm pretty sure it uses some pretty clever viscosity index improvers that mimic base oils and so resist shear, but what I think it does is illustrate how demanding a simple gearbox application can be.
Texaco's MTF94 was a really good fluid for cooler climates but it also only has a limited life being a syn fortified mineral oil and it's been unobtanium here for long time.
Redline MTL was an excellent replacement but I preferred Syntrans, cheaper and at the time, easier to get, but Pat303 had been running it for years in his Tdi and loves it, and I think that car has over 400,000km now.

I remember JC mentioning one day how idiosyncratic the LT77 and R380 can be, as some of his customer cars still shift better with ATF.

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Interesting read, I will definatley try Motul 300 next time & Document the difference between it and Redline, should be interesting