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    help please with setting TD5 timing.

    As some of you will know I have been having trouble setting my timing after doing a head gasket replacement.
    I have taken the advice and bought a set of timing pins.
    Now call me dumb if you will but the trouble is WHEN I have the two painted matching pieces of timing chain at the top of the sprocket and can get the small cam pin in place in the detent , the cam lobe is sitting at about "three o clock" ,in other words pointing at the near side of the car.
    Also the gearbox has no sign of a detent or hole in which the larger pin can fit.
    My only assumption is that I do not have TDC when the cam pin is in place in it's groove.
    If I rotate the crank to get the valve onto the valve (follower) , then the painted section of chain is way down in the housing and the top pin detent is long gone.
    PLEASE someone be kind enough to tell me in word of one syllable how I should be doing this
    Discovreevy has been very patient with me so far and good on him.
    Perhaps he can point me to a tutorial that I have yet to find.
    Thanks guys.
    Yours, the ever lost one!Nick.

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    I haven't done it yet but to me the first thing to do is rotate the crank until you get the pin in the hole in the flywheel.

    You may have let the timing chain slip when you had the head off, so the marked links may be out of position.

    Once you have TDC on the crank you can then set the camshaft to be in a position using the slots in the timing gear.

    Now if you have let the timing chain rotate with the head off you have another problem. I have not tried it as I said but to me maybe you should let the tensioner go and then rotate the chain on the crank until it is in the correct position.
    I don't know if you could do that without removing the sump.

    I don't think it is important to have the timing chain links in the correct position as long as you know TDC on crank and can then pin the cam somewhere in the slot travel of the timing gear,ie you can place the timing gear into the chain in a position that you can then have enough travel in the slots to pin the camshaft..

    Regards Philip A

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    timing questions.

    OK. got my Wife to turn the crank nut and got the pin in the gearbox.then came up and only had to move the cam a smidgen (teck talk) and the top pin went in.
    I am assuming it is now on TDC . Could I be wrong?I was thinking of removing the No 1 injector to check TDC in the morning after the mossies have moved on.
    Do I need to do this or do I just locktite the three 13 mm bolds and call it done? ( I will also rotate the motor by hand after checking the injector clearances too).

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    Hi Nick
    If you have both pins in then no need to go any further with that.
    What you need to make sure of is that there is no slack in the chain on the left hand side of the engine ( the opposite side from the tensioner) while the pins are still in place. So while the 3 bolts are loose turn the cam sprocket by hand anti clockwise ,then nip up the bolts , torque them up to spec , then turn crank by hand through 720? (2 turns)
    Obviously with pins removed, you should then have crank/cam in exactly the same position
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by discorevy View Post
    Hi Nick
    If you have both pins in then no need to go any further with that.
    What you need to make sure of is that there is no slack in the chain on the left hand side of the engine ( the opposite side from the tensioner) while the pins are still in place. So while the 3 bolts are loose turn the cam sprocket by hand anti clockwise ,then nip up the bolts , torque them up to spec , then turn crank by hand through 720? (2 turns)
    Obviously with pins removed, you should then have crank/cam in exactly the same position
    Cheers
    thats how i do it. just remember that the chain is a walking chain and the marked links are only there for a quide to enable smarty pants grease monkies to manage it with some extra attention to detail and a drill bit. If you have the crank locked and the cam locked the position of the marked links is virtually irrelevent.

    of course it makes live harder for smartie pants grease monkies if you dont set it right in the beginning.
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    timing

    Thank you all very much; you guys really ROCK.

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    Great result mate.
    Regards Philip A

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    in a TD5 (and pretty much every glow plug equipped diesel after the ones that had the glow plugs in the precombustion chambers) you dont pull the injector to check piston position, you pull the glow plug.
    Dave

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    Did this solve the low power issue?

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    Yes discorevy thanks to all you skillful fellows. I got at it this afternoon and go it sorted. Goes well now.
    One thing that troubles me is that one of the tappets on the injectors seems to want to drop into the reduced area with the oilway in it and not tighten very well

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