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    Please not a head gasket? TD5 D2a

    A number of different symptoms here, all pointing somewhere...

    I was driving home in the small hours of this morning up the Calder up Gap Road hill and it started loosing power. A quick glance saw the temp high, so pulled over straight away.

    OAT pouring out the cap under high pressure, a good amount

    I sat with the bonnet open for a period to let all cool then put some coolant in - it only took about 500ml, I thought it should take more given the amount splashed on the underside of the car, but thought that maybe a little goes a long way, especially by torchlight. Oil was OK. The low coolant alarm didn't go off until it was cooling and stabilised.

    I continued home at about 60kmh coasting downhills. No more leakage by the time I got home (some 10kms).

    This morning I poured another 500ml in to bring it up to the normal spot then went to start. I checked the oil was fine. At start, it wouldn't turn, just a loud graunching sound. This initially had me thinking of CKP (nano com said 16,2 high speed crank) or started solenoids, but then left battery on charge for 30 mins and it turned OK, but wouldn't fire.

    I did the 5 tap fuel purge and held it down and it fired up and hummed normally. Then turned it off and on, she started just fine. Then I did a hose bleed and a little air came out, but not a lot. Seemed to be a steady trickle of coolant back into the tank.

    Then I gave it a break for an hour, went back out and again she wouldn't fire. Held the foot to the floor, kept her turning and she fired with the expected dark smoke from too much fuel.

    So then she sat there running cleanly for a just couple of minutes, and then I noticed the dreaded white smoke coming out the back so I shut her down.

    Some half an hour later, there seems to be a huge amount of pressure under the coolant cap (spurting out when cracking it) for an engine that never got hot.

    The oil appears normal black colour although it might be a 1-2mm higher than it was previously, it had used about 3 mm from full after 2800kms over the school holidays last couple of weeks, or that could be measuring errors. Nothing conclusive there anyway.

    At the moment, I suspect head gasket leakage from high pressure in coolant system. What checks are recommended before committing to that expensive fix?

    Oh - the head is about 20000kms and 3 years old (after the dreaded crack that put fuel in the oil north of Oodnadatta).
    Last edited by stallie; 4th October 2016 at 02:55 PM. Reason: head info

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    Hi stallie,

    I could say check this and do that but I would be wasting your time. It's best to get the head off and get it checked etc. Only 20K on the head I'm surprised that you have this problem unless it wasn't torqued properly. The symptom you experienced going up hill is typical of a head or gasket failure.

    All the best
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    I've had a couple where the egr cooler was leaking causing those symptoms, so clamp off the supply to that first to diagnose, don't crank too much if it doesn't want to turn over or you will bend a conrod. On rereading your post this wouldn't cause pressure build up so, yep , pointing to head / gasket unfortunately.

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    Thanks for reply.

    EGR was removed long ago.

    I just tried it again idle the whole time. It needed foot to floor to get it to fire again, with the accompanying dark smoke. That disappeared then it ran clean for about 30 seconds, then the white smoke started and I switched off.

    No water in the fuel filter either.

    I'm reluctant to drive it around the block to see if it clears....

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    I recently found I had a minor blown head gasket by finding a stream of bubbles in the coolant tank when cold. Have a check when it cools down with the coolant cap off and start it up.

    I was at 245km
    2000 D2 TD5: Tunit Chipped, EGR Delete, 2" lift, 265s, TJM bullbar, full length roof rack

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    Thanks Jason. Started her up again, couldn't see any bubbles in the coolant reservoir, just a steady jet of clean oat coming in.

    As an aside the exhaust was the same as before, white smoke after about 30 seconds. Seemed worse, but it probably looks worse as it's damn near snowing outside....

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    You should rule out the tank's cap before you go further to hard jobs, it must keep steady 1.4 bar in the system. If the pressure valve or o-rings are not doing theyr's job what you described can happen. No other way than put new one and tighten it to maximum then see what happens maybe you are lucky to be just that cos it's quite common, even if it's not tightened well can make trouble
    Discovery Td5 (2000), manual, tuned

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    Thanks sierra,

    I can understand that causing the overheating (and resolving so it doesn't do it again!), but surely it won't cause the white smoke? Which i presume is oat in the fuel?

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    Yes, the cap thing is only for overheating... the white smoke can be together with that starting symptom some complementary issue too, it's quite unlikely to get oolant in fuel as the fuel is at 4 bar and the coolant at 1.4 unless the tank's cap is blocked closed and the pressure in the cooling system exceeds 4 bar corroborated with a HG or (let's hope not) head crack
    Discovery Td5 (2000), manual, tuned

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    White smoke is either unburnt fuel (not from over fueling, which will always be black,but not be combusted at all) or from coolant.

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