Finally, a D2 with good brakes: EBC DBA

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Funny you should say this. The Audi just delaminated and spat out a brake lining. The backing plate is still in the caliper, the friction material on one pad is just gone! That was a Brembo pad too! :eek2:

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OK, I have to retract this. My error. The Brembo pads are not at fault here. Apologies for this!

I've replace the Audi's rear pads and rotors now. Same issue was on both sides. The lining didn't delaminate from the backing plate as I thought, It looks like the pad problem was actually just excessive wear. Both inner rear pads were the same with excessive wear, except the drivers side wasn't quite worn down to the backing plate like the passengers side. Both outer rear pads had heaps of friction material left. I'm not quite sure why this has happened as the calipers are reasonably new and the sliders were all silky smooth (rears are sliders, fronts are fixed 4 pots). My suspicions now are that my dirt and at times muddy driveway must have caused the excessive wear. Not sure.

Now running Dba slotted rotors and VAG pads which are co-stamped from TRW. I'll swap over the fronts to Dba rotors when I get some time also.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Both outer rear pads had heaps of friction material left. I'm not quite sure why this has happened as the calipers are reasonably new and the sliders were all silky smooth

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Tricky. First thought was sliders until I read the next bit.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

OK, I have to retract this. My error. The Brembo pads are not at fault here. Apologies for this!

I've replace the Audi's rear pads and rotors now. Same issue was on both sides. The lining didn't delaminate from the backing plate as I thought, It looks like the pad problem was actually just excessive wear. Both inner rear pads were the same with excessive wear, except the drivers side wasn't quite worn down to the backing plate like the passengers side. Both outer rear pads had heaps of friction material left. I'm not quite sure why this has happened as the calipers are reasonably new and the sliders were all silky smooth (rears are sliders, fronts are fixed 4 pots). My suspicions now are that my dirt and at times muddy driveway must have caused the excessive wear. Not sure.

Now running Dba slotted rotors and VAG pads which are co-stamped from TRW. I'll swap over the fronts to Dba rotors when I get some time also.

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My 74 RRC had the same uneven wear on the rear pads, apparently some Toys do it too.

The lazy way to sort it is just swap the pads from one side of the calliper to the other occasionally to even out the wear, like rotating tyres.

After thinking about it a bit, years ago, I came to the conclusion that there was air in the calliper on the non nipple side (the outside on a RRC) even after bleeding. The fronts don't do it because there is a nipple each side, so all the air comes out.

This was confirmed by bleeding as normal, then levering the outside pads away from the rotor while cracking the bleed nipple again. Sure enough air came out.

The wear is far more even now.

cheers, David L

EBC Yellow pads and Dba slotted rotors update.

Taking the muddies off and putting the road tyres back on, I checked the pads for wear tonight. The rotors still look very smooth in their wear and there is no braking shimmy. The pads have worn really evenly when comparing across the axle set pads and also when comparing the front to the rear pads. They're all at the same wear depth except for 1 inner rear which had a slightly higher wear rate. Never the less, the pads are due for replacement right now.

Going back through my receipts, I bought these pads in Jan 2017 and more than likely installed them in Jan 2017, so will be in the vehicle for 7.5 years. Keep in mind I use the vehicle mainly on the highway due to where I live, for trips to Sydney and for holiday travel. I'm not sure what the km's travelled are.

I've just reordered the same pads again and from Paddock Spares in the UK again.

Disco2 EBC Yellow front pads $160
Disco2 EBC Yellow rear pads $117
Air Freight to Rural NSW from the UK $58

Total cost to my door $334.19AU

When you originally posted this thread I fitted the EBC YellowStuff brake pads that you recommended and I've been very very happy with them. I still run them on the rear but the front has been replaced with the LOF Brembo setup and is currently using the included Brembo brake pads.
Out of the many different brake pad brands I've had on my D2a over the years the EBC are the best of the best and the only ones that I'd consider now.

I used RDA rotors rather than DBA - they were more price friendly and available at the time and I've not had issue with them.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

I've just reordered the same pads again and from Paddock Spares in the UK again.

Disco2 EBC Yellow front pads $160
Disco2 EBC Yellow rear pads $117
Air Freight to Rural NSW from the UK $58

Total cost to my door $334.19AU

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Impressive in all respects. So, the rotors are ok to go around again?

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Originally Posted by Tins

Impressive in all respects. So, the rotors are ok to go around again?

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Yes, the rotors look great and are still smooth themselves and when braking. I normally get at least 2 sets of pads per rotor, the Dba ones will get at least that.

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Originally Posted by twr7cx

When you originally posted this thread I fitted the EBC YellowStuff brake pads that you recommended and I've been very very happy with them. I still run them on the rear but the front has been replaced with the LOF Brembo setup and is currently using the included Brembo brake pads.
Out of the many different brake pad brands I've had on my D2a over the years the EBC are the best of the best and the only ones that I'd consider now.

I used RDA rotors rather than DBA - they were more price friendly and available at the time and I've not had issue with them.

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How are you finding the LOF Brembo setup, especially compared to standard.

I was ready to develop a big brake setup also, then the wheels fell off. The calipers and rotors delivery was deemed overweight exUK and binned by the freighters (I was refunded and the products never got returned to myself or the seller) and then life got busy but it is still something I'm keen to pursuit.

With my car that has Brembo's, I've found the Brembo pads really good but I'm just about to put some Brembo Ceramic pads into it and see how they go.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Yes, the rotors look great and are still smooth themselves and when braking. I normally get at least 2 sets of pads per rotor, the Dba ones will get at least that.

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That's pretty good coupled with the improved braking on a biggish car. Mine is still on the front rotors it had 150k ago on the stock pads and I wondered if these pads would alter that. Wish my Ford had had that longevity, but I think those rotors were made out of plasticene.

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

How are you finding the LOF Brembo setup, especially compared to standard.

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The biggest disappointment to me with the LOF Brembo setup is the loss of 16" wheels. I just couldn't make them work - it was so close though. 17" Dynamic steel wheels clear fine.

The brakes work really well - heaps of bite. I've certainly never found there limits. Despite the lift, larger tyres and extra weight it now pulls up like a modern vehicle does (eg our standard D4).
Though at a similar time I replaced the hose from the vacuum pump to the brake booster as I just had a bad feeling about the old one being the cause of poor brakes so it's hard to isolate how much better just the brakes are vs if I had a previous issue that was fixed concurrently.