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    If you want Some understanding of airsprings have a read of this:

    http://www.airsprings.com.au/PDF/pro...e-airmount.pdf

    It is for firestone bags but importantly gives the specification graphs for
    Different bag designs...

    Rolling sleeve bags ala rear of D2 and D3,D4
    All display a neutral pressure response to height change whilst within their operating range. It is pressure that sets spring rate.... so this is a near perfect match to coil springs that within operating range display the same spring rate. This likely gives the most predictable handling in cornering or other suspension travel events whilst driving.

    Double convoluted bags display a rising rate of pressure as height decreases which also increases spring rate.

    For the front of a D2 with a known front axle rate I would choose a rolling sleeve bag and run an external damper.... or alternatively run an air strut and mod the chassis to eat it

    Steve
    '95 130 dual cab fender (gone to a better universe)
    '10 130 dual cab fender (getting to know it's neurons)

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    Quote Originally Posted by roverrescue View Post
    If you want Some understanding of airsprings have a read of this:

    http://www.airsprings.com.au/PDF/pro...e-airmount.pdf

    It is for firestone bags but importantly gives the specification graphs for
    Different bag designs...

    Rolling sleeve bags ala rear of D2 and D3,D4
    All display a neutral pressure response to height change whilst within their operating range. It is pressure that sets spring rate.... so this is a near perfect match to coil springs that within operating range display the same spring rate. This likely gives the most predictable handling in cornering or other suspension travel events whilst driving.

    Double convoluted bags display a rising rate of pressure as height decreases which also increases spring rate.

    For the front of a D2 with a known front axle rate I would choose a rolling sleeve bag and run an external damper.... or alternatively run an air strut and mod the chassis to eat it

    Steve
    nice link
    the air bag on page 84 was the one i found most interesting
    pressure increase's the bags spring rate in relation to load placed on top of it to maintain height with slight increase in volume which id assume is from the bag being larger due to extra pressure)
    the one on page 84 had a tapered piston ( tapered from larger at max extension to smaller at min extension) and as the piston became smaller the bag actually lost spring rate with its compression until it only had 3/4in of travel left then increased again

    unfortunately it had nothing on how much of a increase/decrease on piston size effects spring of the bag as well (changing how tight the roll lip is)

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    Don't overlook

    It's not pressure that determined ride height - it's volume.
    Pressure is determined by the weight on the bag (the vehicle) and as long as the diameter doesn't change, pressure is the same irrespective of height.
    When you pump more air in to increase height you are not increasing the pressure (except momentarily) only the volume.
    This when static - bump behaviour is a more complex story

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