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    Marty, Group II+ gear oils with a borate additive package (potassium triborate) will generally outperform most full syn oils with a conventional Sulfur/Phosphorous additive package.
    Think Caltex (Texaco/Chevron) Delo diff fluids and Penrite's competition 85W-110 diff oil.

    They really are very good.

    The only downside is they don't tolerate water well, emulsification and then seal degradation occurs.

    There is a smaller, boutique blender out of the US that focuses on industrial lubrication and uses a proprietory additive package in their gear oils that outperform most all full syn fluids with their mineral (Group II+) fluids. Their full syn fluids are of course a step above in terms of oxidation resistance and therefore life.

    What tends to happen is that some blenders use the better syn base stocks with an additive package that isn't as robust as they'd use in a good mineral or semi-syn oil to reduce costs and present their product at a better price point.

    The lines these days are blurred between mineral and synthetic oils, and the most important part of the oil isn't the base oils any more but the synergy between the additive package and base oils. The clichéd whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
    A clever blender can make a semi-syn fluid perform as well as an average full syn oil. About the only time a full syn fluid will outperform a really good semi-synthetic is outright life, yet the oils specced and licensed to meet ACEA E6/E9 and most Euro truck engine manufacturers (think 100,000km oil change intervals) are Group III based, severely hydrocracked mineral oils.
    Even though they are allowed to be called synthetic here and the US, in Europe they are technically semi-synthetic due to their refining process. They are derived from mineral oil.

    For most uses most people don't need a POE dominant based engine oil, or even a PAO based oil, they'll never stress the engine enough to make use of the esters inherent advantages, or need to use the PAO's ability to flow at a -30* start in winter, and think of all those trucks pounding out 1,000,000km before needing a rebuild and doing it on 30,000km oil changes with mineral oils.
    Would they get better results using a 10W-40 and 100,000km OCI's?
    Maybe, but it comes down to cost/benefit.
    Which one would I use? Probably the syn oil.

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    Hi Rick,
    Interesting... thank you. I work for one of the suppliers of the base stock oil, what's more possibly to I suspect the boutique business you mention in the US, well at least used to before that part of the business was sold off to someone else. I have an affinity for Castrol oils, I also may have some bias in this direction. Personally don't have any issues with the mineral or synthetic options here, when I have removed parts of the engine I don't really want to I have never found any to be really concerned about.

    Thanks for the info


    Cheers Marty

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    Quote Originally Posted by DANNY2503 View Post
    I currently use Penrite Hpr5 Diesel in my customers cars on their TD5's, but in my own I am testing a mineral oil called ULX110. If you google it their is some great info which puts this oil way above most.
    I will have the oil tested at 10,000 Klms and report back on what the tests say. I did a complete flush with a cheaper mineral oil as well as new filters inc dropping the sump (needed a gasket anyway) to remove any excess oil that can't be removed with a normal change.
    The oil is out of SA and on initial change I must adnit it was certainly smoother as well as felt a slight increase in power. They also do mention lower noise levels but I do not hear that.
    Is this the stuff your talking about? It looks interesting

    5w30 (VW 504/507) ULX110 Motor Oil – Engine Oil, Gear Oil, Performance Motor Oil
    "Land Rover - making mechanics out of everyday motorists for nearly 70 years"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandy View Post
    Oh yea, the old oil debate
    Specs for Td5 is 5-40 .
    Most wear is done on start up, engineers know what oil is needed to protect that so hence the specs.
    Keep to it.
    No brainer , full syn. is a superior oil hence the price.
    Mechanics opinions are varied, mine said avoid brand changes, stick to specs, yeh ok.
    Another " change every 5K " , old view with mineral oil.
    I use Nulon full syn. 5-40 as I chose this ages ago and just stuck to it, never comes up on bloody "specials" , at 10k, both filters, oil always looks like Im wasting my money could go longer but so what.
    Full synth on all other oils.
    GTX Castrol /?went in my HR ute.
    I was talking to someone about this the other day. We both concluded that oil is far cheaper than an engine rebuild.
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    This subject really sounds like a 'ford vs holden' argument!
    "Land Rover - making mechanics out of everyday motorists for nearly 70 years"

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_D2 View Post
    This subject really sounds like a 'ford vs holden' argument!
    Which is fine, IF you take emotional allegiance out of the discussion!

    There are reasons for and against that can be debated, then when the for reaches a point where it outweighs the against there is a clear winner.

    Oils are much the same: when the protective properties of an oil versus another blend are analysed for each application and winner will prevail.

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    I've always used Penrite Semi synthetic in my Td5 since i bought it 3 years ago.

    I used to use 5W40 but now i use 15W50. I would prefer to use a 10W50 but they don't make it in the diesel oil.

    Only reason i use such a 'thick' oil in a Td5 is because of very low oil pressures with the 5W40 when hot.

    Penrite - good stuff.

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    Semi synth

    I’ve got to agree with the majority and say Penrith semi 5w - 40. Good and recommended to me from 2 different sources.

    but in saying that I’m new to the land of disco 2 ownership and have just recently bought my first torque wrench!

    Joe aka monsters8

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    Quote Originally Posted by monsters8 View Post
    I’ve got to agree with the majority and say Penrith semi 5w - 40.

    Joe aka monsters8
    Hey!
    I was born in Penrith, but I'm a little older than 40 now.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by John_D2 View Post
    Is this the stuff your talking about? It looks interesting

    5w30 (VW 504/507) ULX110 Motor Oil – Engine Oil, Gear Oil, Performance Motor Oil
    IM actually using the 15w 40

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