Thread: Delios discs

Originally Posted by martnH

And back to original topics.

If delio is a big seller with considerable market power. I believe it can negotiate a deal and make sure the Chinese manufactur rotors are to its own standard (presumably you imply a Higher standard).

DBA can do this. RdA can do this.

But I don't think delio can. And this is my point. The only thing a small company can shine in a world of oligarchy we live in now is niche market and local manufacturing. In this case you can control quality and swiftly change and meet local demand

In that case I will willing to pay more to support local manufacturing. To me whether the company is Australian own or not is irrelevant. Whether it's made here matters. It mean local employment and more young Aussie gaining skills. Not tongue skills

So to me, I won't pay premium for Chinese made product sold by Aussie company

Look I get it. DeLio is smart. They discover the Chinese manufacturing is getting better and better every year and now probably world second class if not the first. Machines can be purchased and chineSe respect good teachers/expats. And that's why deLio can put their named on the Chinese rotors. Because they are of good quality. And this is an information asymmetry to most Australian customers who still believe Chinese can only make bicycles. I bet delio was shocked first time going to those world class factories in China.

In fact I will go ahead and say probably chinese made rotors are probably better than land rover oringinal rotors simply because the updated machines and largest technology adopted in China. Not in UK.

Mate as you are so good with physic`s and manufacturing process`s i suggest you have the knowledge to work it out for your self .
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Originally Posted by donh54

That's not the way it works.

If I want to buy something from a manufacturer (Chinese or Lithuanian - doesn't matter!) I go and see what there product is like. If it meets my quality demands, we then start doing a deal on price. If it doesn't, you go elsewhere. As you said earlier, unless you are ordering big quantities, you would be priced out of the market by demanding a factory re-tool just for your specific items.

As I said earlier, most major factories produce a range of products, with varying price points depending on the quality.

(Names used here are for illustrative purposes only) A classic case is the MAF sensors made by VDO/Siemens. manufacturers like Rover, etc demand an accuracy level within a certain range. All products off the line go through a test phase. If the accuracy range is within tolerance, that one goes into the "Factory" bin (Premium price). If it just misses, it may go into the "OEM" bin, and is bought by the likes of Bearmach, who has set a particular price/quality point with VDO/Siemens (lower than premium price). Anything below that price point, but not actually faulty as such, goes to the "bargain basement" bin, where companies such as Britpart and other house brands do their shopping.

Apart from the fact that they now have at least three different customer groups for their product, the manufacturer can also stroke their green credentials by pointing out their much-reduced waste stream. The fact that most of the bargain basement ones will end up in the waste stream somewhere else fairly quickly, is not an issue that gets highlighted, of course.

This is why you can find all sorts of car parts that look the same, but the quality (and price) may vary enormously. Think shocks, suspension components (that's scary!). Not a good idea to buy purely on price, but sadly, a significant proportion of the market does, and that's why you can't buy much stuff that is Made in Australia anymore. As soon as one company gained a competitive advantage by getting stuff made in a cheaper country, the others had to do so as well, or risk losing market share. Tariffs used to be a safeguard for those issues, but with the advent of free trade agreements, most of them were lifted.

interesting theory, but re maf, we ordered some ( can't name and shame the brand here), and they were way off on readings not just a bit but a lot, sent the whole batch back to UK. So stick to VDO only.

FWIW the slight mass reduction you have with drilling and slotting is more than overcome by the better cooling and performance by scraping the firebrand and venting the gasses.

As the pad contacts the disc an immense amount of heat is generated at the leading edge.
This mix of friction material and resins burning up is called the firebrand and is pretty much a plasma.
The slots/holes help scrape this away, as well as the resulting outgassing from the resins further across the pad surface and this action reduces the surface temps significantly.

Motor racing is totally performance based (except some club level stuff where fashion does come into it) but at the professional and semi-professional levels it's a case of of it doesn't work it isn't used.

Has anyone looked into the insurance ramifications of using Non Standard brakes in the event of an accident?

Originally Posted by trout1105

Has anyone looked into the insurance ramifications of using Non Standard brakes in the event of an accident?

As long as they are ADR compliant and Design rules whats to worry about
Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 31/01 - Brake Systems for Passenger Cars) 2005
No basic physic`s required

Originally Posted by rangieman

As long as they are ADR compliant and Design rules whats to worry about
Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 31/01 - Brake Systems for Passenger Cars) 2005
No basic physic`s required

with all the other things people do to their vehicles with mods why should this worry them.

Originally Posted by Roverlord off road spares

with all the other things people do to their vehicles with mods why should this worry them.

It seems to all come down to why you need them also how and where the manufacturing process and deviation from standard varies and the physic`s of course.
This seems to be the concern for a minority not the boy racers amongst us ,

Originally Posted by trout1105

Has anyone looked into the insurance ramifications of using Non Standard brakes in the event of an accident?

It's easier to get the insurance companies to accept non-oem discs than big lifts with muddies.
I have no insurance issue fitting non-oem spares as long as I'm not modifying the vehicle outside manufacturers specs. If I am (such as the big lift and muddies), I'd say the VASS engineers report would satisfy the insurance company (well, experience has shown this).
Is an engineers report required to fit these discs? I doubt it.