TD5?
Good morning gents,
I have a rather peculiar problem. Around 3 weeks ago, one morning on my way to work my D2 suddenly cut off. Next morning, same thing and the morning after that. This happend at exactly the same spot on an uphill.
I then replaced the fuel pump and fuel filter. But the problem persist. At first I thought it only happens on uphills, but it happens on level roads too. I can drive for around 5km then the car cuts out. I then have to bleed the fuel system and then I can go for another 5 km.
It is also difficult to start everytime. I cannot see any fuel leakage from the fuel pressure regulator. Also, I can feel the engine idling a little rougher than usual, but not by much. I have recently (3 months ago) fitted new injector o-rings and copper washers.
Any help will be appreciated.
Thank you
Danny
TD5?
Current Cars:
2013 E3 Maloo, 350kw
2008 RRS, TDV8
1995 VS Clubsport
Previous Cars:
2008 ML63, V8
2002 VY SS Ute, 300kw
2002 Disco 2, LS1 conversion
My brother had the same sounding issue started in Nov .. fixed itself! .. then started again early Jan out of the blue.
We'd changed the fuel pump, filters, FPR(was leaking anyhow) .. checked injector loom for oil, was OK, changed again anyhow as there was some oil at the ECU plug(red one).
The advice on AULRO was the injector seals, personally I couldn't believe that, but we changed them after lots of checking of other bits'n'pieces(plugs/wires/joins/earths/etc).
Finally got the time to change the injector seals, and problem solvered!
Do you have a nanocom, or can you locate a helpful local that may have one near you?
I have a thread titled cylinder balances in the D2 forum .. and the only clue to when the engine shut itself down was that via the nanocom, on the cylinders page, the balances would indicate pretty even values(+-5 or so) up until about 10sec before the engine shut down.
After shut down it took about 10 mins or so to finally get it running again with much pedal pumping.
Once started, it ran perfectly.
At the 10sec prior to shutdown point, the balances values would vary wildly .. values like -30 +40 etc.
So with this knowledge, I ran the car with an eye on these cylinder balances on the nanocom, and the moment they went wild, I'd shut the ignition off and coast to a stop.
Doing that allowed another 3 or so minute run before the process repeated itself again without any issue starting.
If the engine was allowed to shut itself down, it would then make it hard to start up again. Fuel purging never helped at all over the course of the drama.
Other advice given to me was to make sure seals were genuine, not some cheap alternative .. like ebay specials, or britpart or whatever.
From what you described tho, you said that the FPR doesn't leak, but has it been changed?
I'd assume that a non working FPR would do something similar
Arthur.
All these discos are giving me a heart attack!
'99 D1 300Tdi Auto ( now sold :( )
'03 D2 Td5 Auto
'03 D2a Td5 Auto
Hey Arthur,
Thank you for the reply. I do not have a NanoCom but I will follow your advice and replace the injector seals and washers when I get home from work this afternoon.
The fuel pressure regulator has not been changed.
Just as a matter of interest ... and as far as my common sense goes ... the fuel system is a pressurized system ... therefore no air can be "sucked" into the the system but rather fuel will leak out at a bad connection therefore I can rule out air being the problem?
Air won't be sucked in to the system but combustion gasses will be forced in past the leaking copper washers , yep genuine , and make sure injector face and seating face on the head are spotless
+1 for the copper washers.... though if no joy after these the second suspect for this symptom is the crank sensor
Discovery Td5 (2000), manual, tuned
There is also a fine mesh filter in behind fpr that may be blocked.
Morning guys,
I replaced the copper washers and o-rings. Made sure the seats were absolutely spotless. Removed the FPR and cleaned everything. Blew out the fuel pipes with compressed air.
Now the car is back to normal and is starting like a charm again.
Regarding the o-rings on the injectors: I have always replaced the o-rings with the Victor Reinz ones that comes with in their head gasket set. Yesterday I replaced the o-rings with high temp ones and one size bigger in thickness than the ones supplied in the head gasket set. I have found that the o-rings in the head gasket set have lost their elasticity and have become "hardish". The set I replaced yesterday was only fitted for around 3 months or so and they displayed the same "hardishness" as the ones I replaced before. It could be nothing though ... just my 2 cents worth.
This is my first Land Rover (having owned Toyota 4x4's for many years) and I find it very disconcerting that there is almost no leniency built into the engine control regarding monitoring of the engine. With my Toyotas I could still make it home from Botswana or Mozamique with half the engine dead. But it appears that any light fart scares the living daylights out of a TD5 and it cuts the engine. This does not lend itself to much confidence in a TD5 for trips longer than the nearest grocery store or Land Rover spares shop.
Thanks to all that helped. I really appreciate it.
Danny
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