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    And going back to the original Q, the memory is a little hazy but I've used these additives way back in the late eighties/early nineties and IIRC the particle size is large enough that the centrifugal filter will remove a fair bit of it anyway.

    DuPont (the inventor and maker of PTFE) position used to be that just tipping it in wouldn't work anyway, as a fair bit of heat and pressure was needed to apply it to a surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Or... if Nulon PTFE additive is so good, why don’t Nulon put it in their standard oil range and call premium.
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    So it seems that all the regulars are against oil and fuel additives.
    If they don't work, show me some proof. If they do work,show me some proof.
    Otherwise you're all just screaming 'witch' at the people that do use them.
    Show me some proof either way rather than the usual back yarder comment "well I reckon....."
    Wreaks of religion and politics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason789 View Post
    So it seems that all the regulars are against oil and fuel additives.
    If they don't work, show me some proof. If they do work,show me some proof.
    Otherwise you're all just screaming 'witch' at the people that do use them.
    Show me some proof either way rather than the usual back yarder comment "well I reckon....."
    Wreaks of religion and politics

    Cheers,

    Jason
    Couple of Oil specialists on this forum, plenty of tech data from them to find..

    Do your own research... Nulon in Engine Oil

    Don’t remember many bagging fuel additives, except the old 2SO chestnut; which is refuted online by several qualified experts (people with labs, science and ****)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tombie View Post
    Couple of Oil specialists on this forum, plenty of tech data from them to find..

    Do your own research... Nulon in Engine Oil

    Don’t remember many bagging fuel additives, except the old 2SO chestnut; which is refuted online by several qualified experts (people with labs, science and ****)
    imaging an engine that does not wear and engine that uses little fuel. Bring in the telfon, hyclone and a flux capacitors show me the proof.
    Imagine what we could have had with the Sarich orbital engine with teflon oil with a hylcone and a flux capacitor could have achieved . it would then be cooking with gas


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason789 View Post
    So it seems that all the regulars are against oil and fuel additives.
    If they don't work, show me some proof. If they do work,show me some proof.
    Otherwise you're all just screaming 'witch' at the people that do use them.
    Show me some proof either way rather than the usual back yarder comment "well I reckon....."
    Wreaks of religion and politics

    Cheers,

    Jason
    Jason, I use Penrite oil, it has Zinc additive and the extra 10 technolgy.
    it is reasonably priced when on special. why would I then pay more money to add teflon to it or Morley oil additive to it. seems a waste of money and might only produce a placebo effect

    DOUBLE LAYER of engine wear protection with FULL ZINC and Penrite’s advanced EXTRA TEN technology. It uses a combination of the latest additive technology and a low shear rate viscosity modifier, to ensure additional protection against wear, corrosion, oxidation, piston deposits and sludge under tough conditions .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason789 View Post
    So it seems that all the regulars are against oil and fuel additives.
    If they don't work, show me some proof. If they do work,show me some proof.
    Otherwise you're all just screaming 'witch' at the people that do use them.
    Show me some proof either way rather than the usual back yarder comment "well I reckon....."
    Wreaks of religion and politics

    Cheers,

    Jason
    I do know that fixing a problem in your engine or transmission is a Far better option than chucking a bit of "Snake Oil" additives into them to try to keep them a bit quieter or less "Smokey".
    I also much prefer to stick to the factory recommended oils and fluids and adding an additive changes that dynamic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sierrafery View Post
    I also don't like the teflon or molybdenum bisulfur ideea but IMO not all the additives are crap... i used a Liqui Moly Hydraulic lifter additive once(named "Tappet stop noise 2783" in Australia) and it totally cured the noise which was quite annoying from cold
    And to go with this ^ reduction in mechanical noise, the old 2stroke in the diesel trick.

    All the 'experts' on this forum say that it's snake oil and mock the people that use them, yet they can't reasonably explain a reduction in mechanical noise from the ol' TD5 that these additives give.
    I suppose that I could go into remaps vs plug in chips too, but then, some people are experts on things that they never have and never will use, either short or long term. It's just that they have read an article on the highly reliable internet that contradicts someone elses highly reliable internet data or that they want to back up their mates opinion on this forum

    WOFTAM? ? ?...More like a WOFTAE conversation of Yea vs Nay. BWAHAHAHA

    Cheers,

    Jason

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    Nulon in Engine Oil

    Growing up where and when I did, my brother and I did a bit of "doctoring" of old cars back in the day.
    Molasses was good for quieting a whining gearbox for a few miles. 25% mix of gear oil in the sump would hush rattling big end bearings, we even went to the point of slipping shim steel behind a big end bearing in one engine because we couldn't afford to machine the crank.
    None of these (and other "remedies") where done on vehicles we were keeping. They were all short term fixes, because the ONLY way to fix a mechanical issue is to repair or replace the part in question. Throwing an oil thickener at it is only forestalling the inevitable.
    Use the best, most appropriate lubricant you can afford, and adjust the manufacturer's service schedule to suit your usage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason789 View Post
    .....
    If they don't work, show me some proof. If they do work,show me some proof.
    Otherwise you're all just screaming 'witch' at the people that do use them.
    ....
    Not really!

    Some things just make sense, and in trying to achieve some things, doing them in a particular manner simply makes no sense.

    eg. adding PTFE to oil for it to coat metal parts in an engine is a bit like KAOS theory at work.
    How do they control the distribution of the additive throughout the engine .. especially worn engines!?
    That is .. not 'they' as in the company producing the additive, 'they' being the additive itself?

    Just read any online witch hunt website for the common(sense) version of how an additive containing solids can't work:

    Here's just one example of some reasonably sensible info taken from a random website that deals with such stuff(something about skeptics):

    PTFE is a solid which is added to engine oil and coats the moving parts of the engine.
    However, such solids seem even more inclined to coat non-moving parts, like oil passages and filters. After all, if it can build up under the pressures and friction exerted on a cylinder wall, then it stands to reason it should build up even better in places with low pressures and virtually no friction.

    This conclusion seems to be borne out by tests on oil additives containing PTFE conducted by the NASA Lewis Research Center, which said in their report, "In the types of bearing surface contact we have looked at, we have seen no benefit. In some cases we have seen detrimental effect. The solids in the oil tend to accumulate at inlets and act as a dam, which simply blocks the oil from entering. Instead of helping, it is actually depriving parts of lubricant"
    (Rau).


    I don't know this website, and it's the first time I've seen it, but what they propose does make more sense, doesn't it.
    That is, unless the makers of whatever additive product use nano machine technology in the additive(unlikely for a few hundred years yet!!) .. the additive is not going to even distribute itself across the entire internals of the parts being coated.
    It will more likely gather and build up at the point/s of least resisitance, which won't be the bearing surfaces(due to the pressure on them). So, the only place that this additive can really build up is in the places you don't want it too(i.e oil galleries and suchlike).

    Thinking about it another way:
    Teflon is commonly used to coat cooking products(pots/pans etc). Wouldnt' it make sense for the 'additive manufacturer' to target a massive market such as the cooking market in general?
    Instead of buying the expensive teflon coated pots and pans, why not buy a cheap version and some 'telfon in a bottle', pour it on the cooking appliance .... which gives you an instant, cheap teflon coated pot/pan?

    The reason you can't do that is that it's not going to work .. common sense tells us it doesn't work, to the individual doing the coating on their cooking utensil they will visibly see that it's not working ... and hence that product simply doesn't exist.
    For the PTFE to adhere, it needs over 400 degrees of heat to cure.

    So, in response to the 'proof' comment .. no! you don't need to prove it doesn't work.
    Arthur.

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