Never EVER am I going to a dealer again!!!

**Bohica** · 23rd April 2018, 02:51 PM

I hope it goes well.

**rangieman** · 23rd April 2018, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Markf

Well it appears that they've finally fixed it.

Within the hour we're off towards Alice so we'll see how it goes.

Safe travels and good luck hope all the BS is all behind you now

**Tins** · 23rd April 2018, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Markf

Well it appears that they've finally fixed it.

Within the hour we're off towards Alice so we'll see how it goes.

Best post on this thread. Good luck and happy trails. Send us some pics, you know how much Pedro likes them..

**Markf** · 23rd April 2018, 09:56 PM

Well we got to Horsham OK. It runs well and the oil level is stable.
There will be pics as we go..

**Tins** · 24th April 2018, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by scarry

Thinking more about it,they should probably just put 'labour' on the invoice,then it would cover anyone.

Including $220 PH for someone to wash it. Badly.

**Tins** · 24th April 2018, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie

I’d think the Armed Forces May beg to differ on your definition...

Never EVER am I going to a dealer again!!!

And I think much of the time it does cover the modern tasks -> someone working in a field of technology, proficient in a relevant skill or technique.

Over the years I’ve come to appreciate that Qualifications are evidence of some type of formal study, not evidence of capability or proficiency.
I’ve come across many who meet these a acronyms...
NAMA, NAEA, NAFA, NABA etc!

The good ones are hard to find!

I’ve even seen tradespersons who as apprentices go through their time, with only minimal exposure to certain components of their trade.
Not unusual to find someone for example, who has a Fitters Trade but never worked on specific types of pumps, or can barely machine...

Of interesting note: in several Western countries Trades aren’t a revered culture like they are in Australia and can not charge like they do here for their certifications.

Hmm. In the Armed Forces I held the rank of CFN, which expands to Craftsman. I was nothing of the sort...

**101RRS** · 24th April 2018, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by johntins

Hmm. In the Armed Forces I held the rank of CFN, which expands to Craftsman. I was nothing of the sort...

The Craftsman relates to Rank - eg LAC - Leading Air Craftsman - it is a Rank not a Skill category.

**Tins** · 24th April 2018, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by garrycol

The Craftsman relates to Rank - eg LAC - Leading Air Craftsman - it is a Rank not a Skill category.

I know. I was one. Vehicle Mech. I was merely pointing out the accuracy of Tombie's statement re proficiency. The ARA's Apprenticeship Scheme turned out far better tradesmen ( They were all men in those days ) than the Adult Trades Scheme I was part of. I believe it was instituted to get bloke with spanners into the field quickly in the Vietnam era.

**DazzaTD5** · 25th April 2018, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by johntins

Including $220 PH for someone to wash it. Badly.

Woo woo.... I thought fancy coffees pretty ladies and cash wash was a complimentary thing

**Bigbjorn** · 25th April 2018, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by garrycol

The Craftsman relates to Rank - eg LAC - Leading Air Craftsman - it is a Rank not a Skill category.

Try it this way- Leading aircraft man. Nothing to do with being a skilled tradesman. In army terms a lance corporal. In private sector terms a charge hand or leading hand,

Even though I was one I could never work out the cachet associated with being a "Journeyman". It is purely a term referring to a former apprentice who had completed his indentures and left his master's employ and worked at his trade elsewhere for a year. No doubt a good move for many who only did the work required in his master's business and the journeyman year exposed him to further aspects of his trade.

Trade skills depend on where and how the tradesman was trained. Some government bodies like the railway workshops had good training programmes and turned out good tradesmen. They never learned to do the day's work expected in the private sector though. If they stayed in the rail shops they commonly worked in a particular section of their trade for years such as boilies who only marked out, were burners, riveters, plate rollers etc. and fitters who barely touched a machine tool but worked on pumps, axles and engines etc.

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