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I dont think there is much in it life wise. The R380 Tends to get a whiny 5th gear if towing in 5th st about 200k. It is a reasonably cheap fix though but the autos dont seem problematic. My D1 for example has the same ZF as the D2 just not computer controlled and shifts nicely at 300,000k.
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I just hope JLR never go the dual clutch auto route.
The modern torque converter autos are brilliant and I suspect more in demand if you want to sell on.
Finally do a left foot braking (advanced driver) course in your auto.
Got an '04 auto. Needed a full transmission replacement after around 230000km. Turns out the previous owner had used it a lot of heavy towing in the passed. Drives fantastic!
My manual was in exactly the same boat. Replaced gear box at 330k after a life of heavy towing. Drives like a dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThorTd5
I reckon that if you like a manual then get a manual and if you like autos then get an auto.
Yeah ? and smart men drive automatics [smilebigeye]
I bought my Disco, a second hand unit with auto . . . because that's what I wanted. All my previous off road touring units have always been auto a) because of their capability in sand - particularly dunes and - b) I use the gear lever like a manual "when I have to" . . . . like going down a hill in a lower gear.
You see all these vehicles ahead with brake lights on burning up their brakes. I'm not being a SA . . . just in control of my vehicle.
And I've never replaced a gearbox in my life . . . did I get lucky? Whatever, just enjoy it . . . . best car I've ever owned at 78 YOA. My first car was a 1928 A Model Ford.
But that's how I've always driven an auto!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nagaman
And dog 'box race cars while clutchless changing [emoji23]
(TD5s seem to be good; a lot of people keep them a long time)
I believe there was an issue with the gearboxes on the Disco 1; resolved by Disco 2.
I prefer manuals (mostly) - I've only ever owned two autos; one elderly Jaguar and my current Freelander 2.
I did a LOT of 4WD-ing in the 70s/80s, (bushfire-fighting) almost all in manuals.
When it came to the 2011 purchase, I ascertained that the 'software' which runs the 4WD/AWD system is designed primarily for the auto. In an auto "You don't burn out the clutch". In fact, my AWD Freelander 2 goes pretty much anywhere I went in the low-range Toyota Landcruisers of 'back when I was paid to drive and chase fires across-country'. (I wish I had the 9-speed!)
With the auto, off-road, you can 'creep' much more slowly than in a manual; also with the auto on the highway on cruise-control - no worries about gear-changing.
Older manuals use less fuel than same-period autos; modern autos are sometimes even 'more economical'. Manuals are more 'informative' on the test-drive; sometimes you can get by 'after a gear has died' but when an auto-box loses a gear - it's usually the whole box out of order.
It's 'horses for courses', so - what's your course?
Phideaux
I agreed with you Phideaux
Autobox is superior in performance that including better fuel economy, better handling off-road in low range as well and also associated improved safety as you can infinitely reduce vehicle speed.
Buy sometimes I do feel I can shift gear better than most computer
Manual for the fun and driving experience. I get a sense of achievement every time when I score a perfect gear shift (up or down) in my defender. That's a shift of no kangaroo hop where none of my passenger noticed.
Manual better economy in a D2 V8 for sure. Better downhill when the sphincter tightens in very steep areas in an auto.
Sand, auto easier, uphill rock hopping auto easier and better. 5 speed more ratios.
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The only thing about the auto that really kills it and economy. I had a straight pipe and wasn't thinking about the compression, went down a really really steep hill, all engine brakes gone never been so scared off road. Lucky LR have the transmission brake which saved the day made it labour enough to get some engine brakes back. Straight pipe replaced with muffler all's good again. Nothing beats manual at down hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozscott