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    TD5 mis-firing and surging (i think)

    Hi All,

    Ive been enjoying my D2 1999 TD5 auto since purchasing about 9 months ago, and it has been running well until this issue.

    I was told by a friend to check the injector harness not long after purchasing, and it was fine, no sign of oil.

    I recently started seeing a "mis-fire" (i know its a diesel and technically this isn't possible, but its the best word i have to describe it) under medium throtle on long hills and also a variation in the revs or "surging" when in neutral and accelerator held steady 1000-2500 rpm, so i looked at the injector loom plug and saw a small amount of oil, but nothing at the ECU plug. i even opened up the ECU to confirm no contamination and it was totally clean.

    today i have replaced the injector loom just to be sure (rocker cover was leaking at the back, so i wanted to do that anyway). this made no difference to the revs varation and i haven't checked the missing as i didn't test drive it afterwards (ran out of time - i will do this tomorrow morning if time).

    I have read many MANY posts on surging, but most of them are related to under load, not in neutral, so im not sure it is relevant.

    some posts i have read:
    TD5 Surging issue. Help please?
    Surging TD5
    td5 engine bogging out
    d2a td5 auto surging
    and MANY more

    from my reading, i have the following list of most likely culprits:


    1. Injector Loom oil capillaries to ECU
    2. MAF
    3. Over boosting
    4. Sticky waste gate
    5. Waste Gate Modulator
    6. Throttle Position Sensor
    7. Sensor on inlet manifold


    I can rule out #1 as this has already been changed and no oil near the ECU
    Can i also rule out 3, 4 & 5 as my issue is not under load, so boost should have little to do with it (?).

    My best guess at present is the TPS ...

    Does anyone have any other suggestions

    PS, i don't have a NANOCOM, but if someone in Sydney area can loan one for a few minutes, i would be grateful.

    TIA
    Jim

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    Give the MAF a clean with maf cleaner dont touch it, had that happen to mine and it sorted it out

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    MAP sensor also while u have the cleaner out anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by lyonsy View Post
    Give the MAF a clean with maf cleaner dont touch it, had that happen to mine and it sorted it out
    Can also just disconnect it for a quick test to rule it in or out if you are too lazy to take it out.

    Definitely clean the MAP, can't recall the difference between defender and disco with the turbo but if it's only under certain circumstances it is likely the air to fuel ratio causing issues.

    Without a nanocom you can check the TPS with a multimeter, it's a 5V system so you can check linear change through the stroke. My guess is it isn't the TPS though, it wouldn't give you a 'miss' I don't think.

    It's boost or fuel related, mine used to do this with a slightly rough idle when the wastegate rod was stuck open (so couldn't build boost).

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    Did you do injector washers when you did harness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyonsy View Post
    Give the MAF a clean with maf cleaner dont touch it, had that happen to mine and it sorted it out
    Thanks, I will research into whats involved … is it worth replacing it, or just a clean ?

    Quote Originally Posted by RobMichelle View Post
    Did you do injector washers when you did harness?
    No, thought about doing it, but don't think it needs it at this stage, and as this is the first mechanically works I have done on a land rover in nearly 20 years, I thought I would start with something small first and build up from there …

    most of my other vehicles have been station wagons or work trucks … this is my first weekend toy and so far i'm loving getting back on the tools again … wife still asks if we bought a lemon … I reply "Nah … its just another Landy thing"

    thanks for the quick responses guys, I will try disconnecting the MAF sensor and go for a run to see what that does … now all I need is the RTFM and figure out where to disconnect it

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    Also be sus on the FPR, as well as the injector washers.
    Any leaking around the FPR?
    The other notorious part to keep in mind is the fuel pump. Could be failing.

    So your surging is both under no load AND under load? or is is just with no load?

    MAF plug is the really obvious one on the MAF; passengers side back from the air box on the MAF body.
    There is another plug on the airbox close to the MAF, smaller plug, this is the ambient air temp(AAT) sensor.
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    It's an early D2 so it's likely got a 10P engine. If that's the case then I believe that the MAF is only used to run the EGR and doesn't have an effect on fuelling. I could well be wrong of course. If it's a later engine then the MAF IS used by the fuelling algorithm.
    My guess is that it's something to do with the fuelling - pump, FPR, air getting into the system, etc.
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    Clean MAF Sensor
    explains the MAF cleaning nicely

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    OK,

    I am still going here, i have taken it to Local Land Rover Service - and they thought it might be the crank angle sensor, but it wasn't, so I now have a spare crank angle sensor.

    their best bet is that its electrical, either an earth problem, or a connector, but it might also be the ECU … so basically they have no idea other than trial and error …

    I will be looking through the electical system this weekend (oh that sounds like FUN !!!). are there any places I should check first for earth faults ???

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