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    D2a brake light issues

    I know there's a thousand posts on the 3 amigos, shuttle valves etc. I've read a lot of them but just wanted a sanity check to make sure I'm on the right track.

    Here's the situation:
    New (to me) D2a. Been getting the ABS and TC lights (no hill descent) intermittently (daily). Nanocom shows multiple intermittent shuttle valve switch electrical failure faults.
    Clear the faults - lights and same fault repeats.
    I've got new shuttle valve switch module to install but haven't done it yet. Realise that it might not solve it, but need to start somewhere and I've had a basic check of wiring/plugs etc.

    Just finished doing the front ball joints yesterday.
    After putting it back together I've heard a few cycles of the ABS after startup, and now getting ABC + TC + HD + Brake warning lights.
    I was particularly careful with removing and refitting the wheel sensors, and the only other thing I touched was to unplug/replug the LH wheel sensor switch inside the inner guard as I thought I was going to have to remove it but didn't. Reconnected it.

    Nanocom still only showing the shuttle valve electrical fault under SLABS (unless there's somewhere else I should be looking).

    Apart from the wheel sensors, its only the physical brake calipers/pads themselves that have been touched so I'm a bit confused as to why I'm suddenly getting extra lights and no extra faults logged.

    Any ideas?

    Steve
    1985 County - Isuzu 4bd1 with HX30W turbo, LT95, 255/85-16 KM2's
    1988 120 with rust and potential
    1999 300tdi 130 single cab - "stock as bro"
    2003 D2a Td5 - the boss's daily drive

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    Have you cleared the previous faults? if you log a fault too many times, then perhaps this may be the cause. Can't recall if/ when this occurs and what lights come on (brake is definitely 1 that I recall) so some research required.
    Btw: have you checked the shuttle valve values with a multimeter to see if its the switch, connector etc.

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    Yes, cleared all the faults.

    To add to the confusion. Just checked it again just now.
    No faults. All lights off after startup, then I drove forward while turning and got TC activation and light, and also the ABS light.
    TC light when off and the TC noise stopped after straightening up, but ABS light remains.

    I've given the wheel sensor plug that I'd disconnected a good wriggle just in case. No change.

    Think I'm going to have to pull the wheels and disks off again and check the sensors for cleanliness etc.

    Steve
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    1988 120 with rust and potential
    1999 300tdi 130 single cab - "stock as bro"
    2003 D2a Td5 - the boss's daily drive

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    With the original fault , if the svs is working it is probably needing the bypass modification to fix the dry solder in the modulator.
    With the new fault it's either going to be the connection ( usually rectified by soldering) or quite possibly the sensor head itself, they become brittle with age and if you don't put the 0 ring back on the sensor before refitting can warp when tightened
    Check voltages in live values with nanocom , one of the ones you removed will probably show a lower voltage than the others

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    OK - fingers crossed - it might be fixed.
    I drove it back into the shed and went to check the sensor values but checked the faults first. This time it had thrown a left front wheel sensor low output fault. Great - somewhere to start.

    Removed the LHF sensor, cleaned it and straightened the mounting tab as it had become a bit dished around the hole. Refitted everything and had a quick drive around the paddock - no more lights or TC activation
    Checked the Nanocom again, no faults, all sensor voltages at 2.18v

    I'm sure I haven't seen the last of the mexicans, but will deal with those in due course.

    Thanks for the assistance.

    Steve
    1985 County - Isuzu 4bd1 with HX30W turbo, LT95, 255/85-16 KM2's
    1988 120 with rust and potential
    1999 300tdi 130 single cab - "stock as bro"
    2003 D2a Td5 - the boss's daily drive

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    Ah well. Good while it lasted which was about 1km - until I braked at the first intersection.
    ABS + TC + Brake warning and chimes

    LHF wheel sensor low output again.
    If I run the nanacom and monitor sensor voltages while I make it happen again, the Nanocom loses comms and throws an error. Would that be normal behavior?

    Steve
    1985 County - Isuzu 4bd1 with HX30W turbo, LT95, 255/85-16 KM2's
    1988 120 with rust and potential
    1999 300tdi 130 single cab - "stock as bro"
    2003 D2a Td5 - the boss's daily drive

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    Normal behavior for nanocom after around 15 kph to lose comms
    What you can do is turn the screen round to face you on the passengers side then, looking at abs voltages, wriggle the connector , to see if it's that , if so , solder it , but me thinks it will need a new sensor.
    Get the long lead version, and take it back to the slabs unit

    Edit: as an addendum in case this post is seen by U.S. residents…...........stop the vehicle first and pop the bonnet / hood before doing this test

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    Thanks. What's the current recommendation on Brand for replacement sensors?

    Steve
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    1988 120 with rust and potential
    1999 300tdi 130 single cab - "stock as bro"
    2003 D2a Td5 - the boss's daily drive

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    I use wabco , the long lead version is exxy , but I have in the past used the short lead version , cut the connectors and soldered, with no problems.
    There are a few cheaper options , but maybe others that have used them will have a better idea if any good

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    I've used the after market long lead ones from Roverlord (not sure on the brand?) and just soldered inside the fire wall, was a FR and PITA to get across to the slabs! Initially had a problem and would throw faults but after about two days and threatening to change the sensor it came good? (I did read the values with the Nanocom and 0.1 difference in voltage of the new sensor and also a few Ohms difference) Maybe go the wabco as suggested?

    As for the Shuttle Valve, I've changed just the valve for new and didn't solve the problem so performed option B and fixed.

    Cheers Lemo

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