Thread: Disco 2 td5 immobilised without eka

Definitely a great result. But do look at getting your EKA altered to something more manageable like 1111....nanocom will do this no issues.

Now just need to work out ... why?

Once apon a time I had a 99 (for 13 years). EKA code a must. Opening and closing driver's door comes with practice.

As for the code. Well no matter what, unless the engine ECU is supplied with the correct EKA code it will not start. Changing parts will only exacerbate the problem because the ECU needs to be told the serial numbers of the changed parts. Only Army ECUs had this feature removed to enable hot swap outs (under fire).

You should find that a Dealer will be able to access the code from JLRA. Mine used to live in a computer in Melbourne, as well as the ECU.....and the card that came with documentation. (mine was wrong by the way and dealer had to pull off ECU and amend LRA's data after trucking it around 100 miles) [warranty]

A Dealer should also be able to open the ECU with their BMW/Ford/ test equipment and get the EKA off of the ECU. Nanocom, Hawkeye et al won't be let in.

Suggest you talk to a Dealer/s and then get it trucked to whomever you consider be the best. getting it off the ECU is better best! Otherwise wait till it comes from UK. However it should still be in the JLRA computer/s or Cloud.

D2 - Australia's most thief proof car 2000 - AA

Best wishes

Cheers

RF

A PS - it did occur to me that the EKA code recovered from the ECU is the number of key turns in sequence combined with the number of door closures at each key sequence. Without the number of door closures with each key entry it may not be a goer. You will need the code to be provided by VIN number and the sequencing from JLRA irrespective of where they get it from................and that is provided that the ECU hasn't been changed to sometime during the vehicle's life.

Unless there are some more knowledgeable heads out there than mine, if the correct code can't be entered another ECU with it's own known EKA and sequencing (which it should come with) may be the only way out.

RF

Originally Posted by Rick Fischer

Once apon a time I had a 99 (for 13 years). EKA code a must. Opening and closing driver's door comes with practice.

As for the code. Well no matter what, unless the engine ECU is supplied with the correct EKA code it will not start. Changing parts will only exacerbate the problem because the ECU needs to be told the serial numbers of the changed parts. Only Army ECUs had this feature removed to enable hot swap outs (under fire).

You should find that a Dealer will be able to access the code from JLRA. Mine used to live in a computer in Melbourne, as well as the ECU.....and the card that came with documentation. (mine was wrong by the way and dealer had to pull off ECU and amend LRA's data after trucking it around 100 miles) [warranty]

A Dealer should also be able to open the ECU with their BMW/Ford/ test equipment and get the EKA off of the ECU. Nanocom, Hawkeye et al won't be let in.

Suggest you talk to a Dealer/s and then get it trucked to whomever you consider be the best. getting it off the ECU is better best! Otherwise wait till it comes from UK. However it should still be in the JLRA computer/s or Cloud.

D2 - Australia's most thief proof car 2000 - AA

Best wishes

Cheers

RF

Reading your '' anectode" i must say that you know something but not the real thing when it comes to a D2 Td5. First of all when you speak about EKA it's not about "ECU" but about BCU and the red part is more important cos BMW/Ford has nothing to do with the Rover/Lucas Td5 protocol. Sorry but i can't just watch how trunkated informations are emitted in eter. Main dealers are almost(or completely) useless when it comes to an old Td5 cos they just dont know while they dont care about such old vehicles, all they want to do is to sell expensive new vehicles. Good luck to all. My advice: steer clear of LR main dealers with a Td5 these days... last time i was there i was also missinformed that the Td5 is a BMW engine

Originally Posted by sierrafery

Reading your '' anectode" i must say that you know something but not the real thing when it comes to a D2 Td5. First of all when you speak about EKA it's not about "ECU" but about BCU and the red part is more important cos BMW/Ford has nothing to do with the Rover/Lucas Td5 protocol. Sorry but i can't just watch how trunkated informations are emitted in eter. Main dealers are almost(or completely) useless when it comes to an old Td5 cos they just dont know while they dont care about such old vehicles, all they want to do is to sell expensive new vehicles. Good luck to all. My advice: steer clear of LR main dealers with a Td5 these days... last time i was there i was also missinformed that the Td5 is a BMW engine

Ummm! In 1999, 2000, and for a definite while thereafter, the D2 ECU was interrogated using the BMW (Land Rover) test equipment from a BMW supplied note book computer. Irrespective of Rover Lucas (prince of darkeness) protocols in the ECU the suppled test equipment at the local BMW LR dealer could read the TD5 computer, and when it booted it said BMW.........perhaps it was just that one that I got to see on a reasonably regular basis. Agreed the TD5 engine was never a BMW engine. I may well be wrong but my recollection is that the EKA code is itself stored in the ECU, BCU only checks with it and then when all agree allows the ECU to supply fuel etc.

Maybe I should have said BMW Ford "heritage" test equipment!

Cheers

I really dont want to offend you so please don't take it to the heart but if your vehicle was ''interogated'' with BMW/Ford equipment and it ''talked" with it doesnt mean it's OK... IMO this is another evidence of LR main dealer's incompetence or carelessness about old vehicles...(i was told myself at a local LR main dealer when i went for some Td5 parts that they dont supply anymore parts for old BMW engines... i think that they confused th3 D2 with a RR P38 or Freelander Td4)

the dedicated LR Testbook T4 was the proper diagnostic tool from the beginning and it has nothing to do with BMW or Ford cos it's a different diagnostic protocol... i rest my case cos i dont want a debate on this, belive me or not

also i can tell you 100% sure (and better take it for good for future) that the EKA is stored in the BCU , the ECM has no involvment in it.

Originally Posted by Rick Fischer

.... I may well be wrong but my recollection is that the EKA code is itself stored in the ECU, BCU only checks with it and then when all agree allows the ECU to supply fuel etc.

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Nah! BCU, as sierafery says.
In the Nanocom, you access/change it in the BCU menu.
invalid EKA code in BCU, obviously disables ECU .. so that's how the ECU would 'immobilise'(or whatever it does).

Would make sense that 'BMW' branded stuff would appear to access LR products, as by that stage BMW owned LR for a good few years.
So any opportunity for BMW to display their branding would have been a marketing must.
Of course LR sold to Ford at about that stage(00's) so that you then see Ford rear their ugly name brand at any opportunity too.

I mean really how hard is it for BMW/Ford to stick a sticker on their 'branded' laptop!
Do you think that BMW or Ford make laptops? ...

If you want, for a very reasonable price, I could make your laptop say 'BMW' when it booted up too.

Originally Posted by AK83

Nah! BCU, as sierafery says.
In the Nanocom, you access/change it in the BCU menu.
invalid EKA code in BCU, obviously disables ECU .. so that's how the ECU would 'immobilise'(or whatever it does).

Would make sense that 'BMW' branded stuff would appear to access LR products, as by that stage BMW owned LR for a good few years.
So any opportunity for BMW to display their branding would have been a marketing must.
Of course LR sold to Ford at about that stage(00's) so that you then see Ford rear their ugly name brand at any opportunity too.

I mean really how hard is it for BMW/Ford to stick a sticker on their 'branded' laptop!
Do you think that BMW or Ford make laptops? ...

If you want, for a very reasonable price, I could make your laptop say 'BMW' when it booted up too.

Laptop probably any one of a dozen brands. However, what I was talking about was the heading and copyright notices etc after boot. Anyways, all quite pointless. Doesn't help the dude who can't get his Disco moving.

Cheers