Good share Bob. Very lucky indeed. I recall my PS pump failed at similar kms (back when I had a D2).
After 400,000 kms you do start to wonder what else will reach end of life.
How seizing the power steering pump activates the battery light, disables the vacuum boost to the brakes, and can critically overheat the engine. OH, and why you should never second guess the experts.
Driving along one day, blissfully in a la-de-da-da moment, I turned hard left, only to have a noise not unlike a small motorbike alongside. Same with the right. Sounded like air in a hydraulic system, so I assumed it was air in my power steering system. Got home, lifted the bonnet, removed cover, stared at it like I knew what I was doing, just in case something was obvious, but the pump wasn't hot, no obvious vibrations. Son turned the wheel left & right, sure enough, noisy. Over to our local LR experts, who told me the pump needed replacing, and not to drive any distance. Booked in in 3 weeks time for repair. Now, it should have been easy to leave it under the car port, but no, me secretly believing it was air in the system, thinks ' can't do any harm to drive down to Sandgate Town, surely?'.
Driving back home, things happened quickly. All of a sudden, the steering became incredibly heavy. Then the engine battery light came on, and I had no brakes, or minimal braking. The temp. rose from 75 to 95 degrees just like that. Luckily I was turning into our yard just as this was happening , parked in the carport, let it cool down. Later inspection revealed the pump had indeed seized, the drive belt was being driven over the pump pulley , which thru friction was slowing the belt down. Too slow to run the alternator at the right speed to generate electricity, hence the engine battery light. [ or should that be alternator light?]With that, the vacuum pump at the back of the alternator, used to boost brake pressure , wasn't . Minimal braking. The power steering pump drives the water pump, thru a connection at the back of the steering pump, so, no coolant pressure. The perfect storm. I thanked my lucky stars I was turning into my driveway, and not doing 100KPH on the highway, that could have been a disaster. Then it dawned on me that those little chirping noises every time I changed gears [ manual], earlier on in the drive, were the belt , catching on the pump pulley, which was starting to seize. So there are warning signs.
So, what now? I had become a little complacent, the D2 had been going like a dream for over a year, just about. I dusted off the RAVE DVD, studied the various sections to make sure my thinking was correct, and decided it didn't look too hard to replace the power steering pump. So, new pump in the box, I'm just about to go searching for all those tools I had to do the job. Can't blame the car , with 420,000 +KMs on the clock, fair wear and tear for what I believe is the original power steering pump seems a fair thing. Can't help thinking perhaps I should have changed the power steering oil back along the track somewhere,no matter, no footy on this arvo.
I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food
A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking
Good share Bob. Very lucky indeed. I recall my PS pump failed at similar kms (back when I had a D2).
After 400,000 kms you do start to wonder what else will reach end of life.
I had a kind of similar experience with my Rodeo(V6).
Was working as a courier, turned left, heard a loud groan, steering dead hard. Ah!
Checked fluid, all OK, just no power for left turns .. only right turns.
Not too much of a worry as a couriers life seemed to be predominantly doing u turns to go back for the work they'd just passed!
Looked into getting it fixed, from memory in the wayyy too hard to get at basket, and paying to get it done was going to be $s I didn't want to spend.
This was at 600-ish K klms tho .. and I got rid of it a few months later.
A few years back when I got my D2(V8) project, the power steer pump made groan noises, so I pulled and rebuilt prior to getting it ready for the road. Silky smooth henceforth.
Still not close to being ready tho .. $s have dried up for now.
Lots to like about the modern serpentine belt system overall .. but in your situation there's a good argument for the old days of multiple belts doing essential and non essential stuff too tho.
Arthur.
All these discos are giving me a heart attack!
'99 D1 300Tdi Auto ( now sold :( )
'03 D2 Td5 Auto
'03 D2a Td5 Auto
Just think, you might have had ACE as well.. On mine it was the alternator. Made very short work of the belt. Still, you should have had sufficient vacuum for about three decent brake applications before "minimal braking" set in. I'd check hoses and check valves in the brake vacuum system for minor leaks. You did say 400,000 didn't you?
Funny how we just expect things to just keep working though. recently my plain jane BA falcon went nuts. Overheating, I mean top of the gauge in seconds, no drive, RACV tow truck... Split the ( plastic ) tank between the coolant and auto fluid in the rad. Extremely common, apparently. New rad is the fix, but try flushing the trans to get all the watery oil out of the thing. Car has 205, 000 on it. I've read ( now ) that replacing the rad at around 150,000 is recommended.
Maybe it's time we started a list of things that should be changed at XXXKM. We all know about timing belts, but there are many others we tend to change only when they break.
JayTee
Nullus Anxietus
Cancer is gender blind.
2000 D2 TD5 Auto: Tins
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Plus between 400-500K you start hitting repeats and replacing things second time around. I kept mine up to 483K and recall hitting the second round replacements on many small components.
Above 400K I would also expect to have replaced the following:
Radiator
Water Pump
Fuel Pump
Power Steering Pump
Injection Harness (at least twice)
Injector Washers
Fuel Pressure Regulator (possibly twice)
Alternator
Wheel Bearings
Clutch
Harmonic Balancer
Plus most of the instrument senders.
The engine, gearbox/transfer box, and diffs should all make it to 500K, but my gearbox did fail at 483K. The new owner then also rebuilt the motor.
Well, the old pump is out. An easy job made more difficult by arthritic fingers and just not having easy access . And also that the pump is 20 years old. The pump hasn't seized, but the seal and bearing at the outside end look like the culprits. The bearing has gone, I'm thinking, and ripped the seal, dumping most of the fluid. It's a bit lumpy the bearing. I'm thinking at temperature it would probably bind. Thankfully the water pump coupling turns easy with no lateral movement, so hopefully not that end. I always do an inspection of the vehicle top to bottom, when I do an oil change, and feel confident the brake system is up to spec. Every 20,000 kms I remove the wheels and check the cylinders etc , measure the discs, do a bit of touchy feely. The Haynes manual has a chapter on routine maintenance and servicing, I use it as a guide, don't stick to it . I have been a bit lazy lately, but normally when the drive belt is removed I regrease the idler bearings [ don't know if any one checks, but brand new bearings have stuff all grease in them.] I always re tension the exhaust manifold every oil change, you'd be surprised how loose the rear manifold bolts are some times. I love my D2, but I can't help feeling Land Rovers are a young mans game.
I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food
A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking
Well they certainly keep you mentally and physically active, and of course part of a great community of like minded owners.
But when the recovery time for the body exceeds the repair time, it can be hard to keep motivated.
At least with the D2 this is probably the last of the Discos that can be worked on with relative ease.
Without RAVE, I would be totally lost. In the beginning, getting my head around the coolant system was like learning a new language. And then I replaced every hose, 'nuff said. But, I did find out the secret hose could be blanked off. Bonus!. I would not remove/ work on the gear box or transfer case, or attempt to fit & shim an Ashcroft ATB LSD, left that to the experts. I did replace engine mounts, exhaust manifold [ did the grinding trick] replaced the starter motor
, 4 brake discs and pads [ I found over time, and after driving thru mud/ creeks the guide pins tended to get jammed with gunk, so that was a look and see job.] Rear hub seal [ borrowed a truckie mate's torque multiplier for that one, other wise the torque value would have been determined by the length of water pipe I could find. ] replaced starter motor
, fitted new radiator when the hoses were replaced , cleaned the intercooler, at the same time. Fitted a MANTEC snorkel [ getting the courage to cut a hole in the front panel took a bit.] Fitted APT rock sliders and steering guard, steel rear bar, electrical thingy near the battery to run a second battery in the back in a battery box, small drawer, fridge slide , radio & aerial, welltempered temp sensor [ a must have IMO] . Phew, a walk down memory lane. Well, that's motivated me to go down and fit the new power steering pump , and I just know it will line up perfectly with the water pump drive [ what could possibly go wrong
] It really is a sense of achievement when a plan comes together on a Land Rover, The secret is to walk away and put the kettle on when frustration sets in. While I'm at it if any one knows where I can get another centre console, I could do that job while the D2 has a rest. Here we go again.
I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food
A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking
That is a pretty impressive list. Definitely a keeper.
You just reminded me why I replaced my PS Pump - it was the drive dog that I found was badly damaged when I replaced the water pump. I caught it before it sheered off.
For something which is permanently engaged, I didn’t expect to find fatigue damage.
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