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    Td5 mounts cheapies compared to OEM

    I attach some pics with OEM manufacturer on Left of pics and dodgy unknown manufacturer on right.
    The better mount in first 2 pics is on the left
    Side by side the mount on the left appears the better of the two as I go through a comparison.

    First shot from top (compare mounts pic)
    Note that the mount on the right has a small cut away on the mounting plate (to highlight the difference), as it would not be likely to affect the performance. (these appear to be the mounts that give aftermarket a bad name).

    Next pic. Now the side view (below).
    Note that the mount on the right appears to have less metal in the body and more rubber outside/above the body.
    Note the slightly different bolt with taper top (and thread ?? look at the pitch on it).
    Left side thread is a machined thread, the right looks to have just been drawn at time of manufacture (cheaper process).

    At this stage you may be thinking that is perhaps cosmetic difference.

    Build quality next.
    Compare the quality of the welding on both mounts.
    Better mount first (pic of "good mount"), see a nice even bead obviously done in a well set up auto jig. No slag on the weld, no gaps or holes in the bead.

    Then weld on dodgy mount. (Pic named that)
    And all the welding on that mount is just as irregular.
    You can also see where they have painted over the slag that remains after a welder has been through, and there are visible gaps/holes in the welding. (This has been made in a backyard.)

    All the above might seem like small potatoes, until you then squeeze the rubber in the mount.
    The better looking mount has rubber that does have “give” in it if you press it with your fingers, there is some flex.
    The dodgy mount is ROCK HARD! No movement at all. It might as well be plastic.
    That mount will vibrate right through the vehicle, and because it is rigid either likely break down, or break up (at the welds).

    So all those who say buy the genuine or "quality" mounts are helping you avoid wasting your time, breaking mounts in rough conditions and maybe worse.




    compare mounts .jpgtwo mounts side view a .jpggood mount welding.jpgdodgy mount weld 2.jpg

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    Genuine Mounts availability

    Have just been told by a UK supplier contact that they cannot purchase genuine Td5 mounts from land Rover in UK.
    They think that they are "unavailable" until further notice (if at all in future).
    So if looking to get some genuine mounts, better move soon.


    Quote Originally Posted by vbrab View Post
    I attach some pics with OEM manufacturer on Left of pics and dodgy unknown manufacturer on right.
    The better mount in first 2 pics is on the left
    Side by side the mount on the left appears the better of the two as I go through a comparison.

    First shot from top (compare mounts pic)
    Note that the mount on the right has a small cut away on the mounting plate (to highlight the difference), as it would not be likely to affect the performance. (these appear to be the mounts that give aftermarket a bad name).

    Next pic. Now the side view (below).
    Note that the mount on the right appears to have less metal in the body and more rubber outside/above the body.
    Note the slightly different bolt with taper top (and thread ?? look at the pitch on it).
    Left side thread is a machined thread, the right looks to have just been drawn at time of manufacture (cheaper process).

    At this stage you may be thinking that is perhaps cosmetic difference.

    Build quality next.
    Compare the quality of the welding on both mounts.
    Better mount first (pic of "good mount"), see a nice even bead obviously done in a well set up auto jig. No slag on the weld, no gaps or holes in the bead.

    Then weld on dodgy mount. (Pic named that)
    And all the welding on that mount is just as irregular.
    You can also see where they have painted over the slag that remains after a welder has been through, and there are visible gaps/holes in the welding. (This has been made in a backyard.)

    All the above might seem like small potatoes, until you then squeeze the rubber in the mount.
    The better looking mount has rubber that does have “give” in it if you press it with your fingers, there is some flex.
    The dodgy mount is ROCK HARD! No movement at all. It might as well be plastic.
    That mount will vibrate right through the vehicle, and because it is rigid either likely break down, or break up (at the welds).

    So all those who say buy the genuine or "quality" mounts are helping you avoid wasting your time, breaking mounts in rough conditions and maybe worse.




    compare mounts .jpgtwo mounts side view a .jpggood mount welding.jpgdodgy mount weld 2.jpg

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    TD5 mounts genuine compared to aftermarket

    Have managed to do some more comparision between cheaper aftermarket and Genuine land Rover Td5 mounts.
    The non genuine part weighs in at 2400grms and the genuine weighs in at 2250grms.
    As the cross section drawings of the Td5 mount shows an interior area of fluid and space (likely to assist with dampening vibration), the extra weight in the non genuine may be due to it being solid inside, which might explain why they carry more vibration.
    I also attach close up pics comparing the standard of welding between the German made genuine (left) and the aftermarket of unknown origin (right).
    The genuine mount might be made in countries other than Germany, but the one I had was made in Germany.
    Have tried a couple of "aftermarket" versions of the Td5 mount and find they do transmit more vibration than genuine, so Engine mounts might not be one item where you can substitute and save.

    Make your own assessemnt of what you fit to your Td5.

    Genuine Td5 weld detail.jpgaftermarket weld detail.jpg

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    My son has just purchased a D2 and the seller has fitted a new non genuine mount.
    I reckon I can feel excessive NVH which is probably due to this mount.
    Dave.

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    local dealer here in perth just sold off their last lot (with other unwanted stock) to rovercraft and no longer supply
    D2 2004 TD5 Classic

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    Interesting visual display of the difference between the two and the value you get for the extra cost of the proper part...

    From what I recall when changing mine it took a lot longer and was more of a pain of a job that you'd expect/it should be. So I wouldn't be skimping out and rushing to get back in there again.

    What's the part number for them? I've seen KKB102601 and KKB102602 listed but both are not coming up at UK suppliers.
    KKB500750 maybe? Not sure if that's for Defenders only though?
    KKB500750 doesn't list an OEM option - only genuine or aftermarket. In genuine Land Rover the UK suppliers all have 1 - 3 days for special order from their suppliers so might also not be available over there too?

    EDIT: just looked through my previous orders and can confirm that
    KKB500750 is the part number of the units I fitted to my vehicle a few years ago. They're not badly priced at around GBP 50.00 for genuine Land Rover parts.
    Mine - modified MY03 LT L318 Discovery 2a HSE Td5 15P
    Hers - MY12 L319 Discovery 4 2.7L TDV6
    Dads - MY12 L319 Discovery 4 2.7L TDV6
    Sister-in-laws - MY98 LJ Discovery ES 3.9L V8

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    Quote Originally Posted by twr7cx View Post
    EDIT: just looked through my previous orders and can confirm that KKB500750 is the part number of the units I fitted to my vehicle a few years ago. They're not badly priced at around GBP 50.00 for genuine Land Rover parts.
    Great price. I'm just looking at Karcrafts catalogue and for each mount (2 required) they're $207.25 + postage for OE/OEM and $115.49 + postage for Cheap Aftermarket.

    Genuine Land Rover Engine Mounting Bracket - KKB500750 Genuine $252AU pr delivered.
    Cheers
    Slunnie


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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    Great price. I'm just looking at Karcrafts catalogue and for each mount (2 required) they're $207.25 + postage for OE/OEM and $115.49 + postage for Cheap Aftermarket.

    Genuine Land Rover Engine Mounting Bracket - KKB500750 Genuine $252AU pr delivered.
    I usually purchase through a trade account with Brit-Car in the UK but lately I've often found Island4x4 over there to be cheaper at retail price. They do have less of a range though - usually they offer genuine, one pattern part supplier and sometimes an OEM supplier option, compared to Britpart that offer every supplier which can be 10 or so for a particular part.
    Mine - modified MY03 LT L318 Discovery 2a HSE Td5 15P
    Hers - MY12 L319 Discovery 4 2.7L TDV6
    Dads - MY12 L319 Discovery 4 2.7L TDV6
    Sister-in-laws - MY98 LJ Discovery ES 3.9L V8

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    Quote Originally Posted by vbrab View Post
    Have managed to do some more comparision between cheaper aftermarket and Genuine land Rover Td5 mounts.
    The non genuine part weighs in at 2400grms and the genuine weighs in at 2250grms.
    As the cross section drawings of the Td5 mount shows an interior area of fluid and space (likely to assist with dampening vibration), the extra weight in the non genuine may be due to it being solid inside, which might explain why they carry more vibration.
    I also attach close up pics comparing the standard of welding between the German made genuine (left) and the aftermarket of unknown origin (right).
    The genuine mount might be made in countries other than Germany, but the one I had was made in Germany.
    Have tried a couple of "aftermarket" versions of the Td5 mount and find they do transmit more vibration than genuine, so Engine mounts might not be one item where you can substitute and save.

    Make your own assessemnt of what you fit to your Td5.

    Genuine Td5 weld detail.jpgaftermarket weld detail.jpg

    I posted the dissection of my old engine mounts here: What's in an engine mount?.
    These are not a simple mount and certainly plenty of ways for an aftermarket item to be inferior.

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    Without even reading all the original post...

    I used non genuine engine mounts ONCE, after 20K they were rubbish and I changed them out for the customer at my expense, never again.
    *I've only ever before and since that one time used genuine TD5 engine mounts, it transforms the whole vehicle in a good way.

    *I'm certainly not a "only use genuine" type, but this is one example to only use genuine
    Regards
    Daz


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