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Thread: Soft brakes - Replaced master cylinder, ABS block, bled with Hawkeye and still soft!

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    Quote Originally Posted by discorevy View Post
    As you've worked out that you have a hard pedal with blanks fitted at the banjo ends, and have tested the master cyl , then you've obviously worked out the problem is air in one of the callipers if there is no leaks.

    Try introducing one calliper at a time into the system, seeing you have the ability to isolate
    pretty sure there's no air. It's weird though -
    only 2 fronts connected = all good
    only 2 rears connected = all good
    2 fronts + 1 rear connected = soft sinking pedal (either rear)


    going to try diagonals next, as that is how the abs modulator circuits work

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    Soft brakes - Replaced master cylinder, ABS block, bled with Hawkeye and still soft!

    Quote Originally Posted by Discosux View Post
    pretty sure there's no air. It's weird though -
    only 2 fronts connected = all good
    only 2 rears connected = all good
    2 fronts + 1 rear connected = soft sinking pedal (either rear)


    going to try diagonals next, as that is how the abs modulator circuits work
    As you are testing that soft sinking pedal - get someone to watch the fluid level in the master cylinder.

    If it also drops slowly in level the entire time that the pedal slowly sinks to the floor then it is transferring somewhere (or just compressing air).

    If the level remains constant when the pedal goes to the floor then something strange is happening.

    I could never work it out and gave up worrying about it as the brakes were always firm when needed.

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    A buckled or loose disc will push the caliper piston in further on release of the pedal, then take a lot more fluid than normal to push the piston back out again when the pedal is pressed.Not talking a massive buckle because then the disc would pulse the caliper. Just a small amount. Not sure what the ABS and other braking smarts might do with this situation though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robflocar View Post
    A buckled or loose disc will push the caliper piston in further on release of the pedal, then take a lot more fluid than normal to push the piston back out again when the pedal is pressed.Not talking a massive buckle because then the disc would pulse the caliper. Just a small amount. Not sure what the ABS and other braking smarts might do with this situation though.
    A floating caliper will follow the warped disc, even when wheel bearings collapse, the pedal will pulse but it won't become long whereas a fixed piston caliper will suffer pad knock back from the tiniest bit of hub/bearing float (or vibration)

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