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Thread: d2 Td5 with clutch without pressure and scratching gear. Help, please.

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    d2 Td5 with clutch without pressure and scratching gear. Help, please.

    I need your help. Last week, when parking my d2 Td5 I felt the clutch becoming light and without pressure, making the gears difficult to engage or scratching. When stepping on the pedal there is no unusual noise or vibration. Even pumping 3 or 4 times in the background, the march doesn't start as before. The reverse only engages with the engine off.

    There is no leakage in the master cylinder. Fluid in reservoir is clean and level. I did the bleeding and nothing. So I removed the auxiliary cylinder, removed the rubber boot and everything was clean without any oil. Then I manually sank the rod into the cylinder and rested it hard on the box housing. I asked someone to step on the pedal and hold it. The rod came out and pushed hard on the carcass. I applied even more counterforce to the rod but it held still. So I looked through the hole in the carcass to see if the fork was the weak type that sticks in the middle support, but no. He's still the original.

    The Clutch Kit is not genuine. It is remanufactured and is 18 months old and has traveled 5kkm. But it never slipped or stank of pottery. It never made any noise, noise or forced it in any way. Even so Could the problem be there? or suddenly the Master Cylinder that doesn't leak?

    looking forward to the help of friends





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    Get a pair of vice grips and clamp the flexible hose.

    With the hos e clamped your pedal should be hard as a rock. If so you know your master cyl is ok.

    What is the carcass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by d2dave View Post
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    What is the carcass?
    OP is from Brasil, and probably used a translator to convert body -> carcass.

    So I assume carcass = master cylinder body????

    Yeah, sounds like the piston seal in the master cyl is gone, probably come off the piston rod and just going in and out and not supplying pressure to the slave ... or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d2dave View Post
    Get a pair of vice grips and clamp the flexible hose.

    With the hos e clamped your pedal should be hard as a rock. If so you know your master cyl is ok.

    What is the carcass?
    Sorry for bad translate. I said carcass referring to the gearbox carcass. housing = gearshift surface, where I supported the tip of the rod to test the pedal pressure.

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    Carcass = external surface of the gearbox d2 Td5 with clutch without pressure and scratching gear.  Help, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by AK83 View Post

    So I assume carcass = master cylinder body????.

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    excellent tip. I will test and come back. thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by d2dave View Post
    Get a pair of vice grips and clamp the flexible hose.

    With the hos e clamped your pedal should be hard as a rock. If so you know your master cyl is ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilsonbelem;[URL="tel:3092320"
    3092320[/URL]]Sorry for bad translate. I said carcass referring to the gearbox carcass. housing = gearshift surface, where I supported the tip of the rod to test the pedal pressure.
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    d2 Td5 with clutch without pressure and scratching gear. Help, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by d2dave View Post
    Get a pair of vice grips and clamp the flexible hose.

    With the hos e clamped your pedal should be hard as a rock. If so you know your master cyl is ok.

    What is the carcass?
    Hi friend. A metal tube comes out of the master cylinder for the auxiliary. there is no flexible hose between them to obstruct it. then I held the piston of the auxiliary cylinder and saw that the pedal was rigid as you said. I stepped hard but the pedal held steady without sinking. there wasn't any fluid coming out. the cylinder remains dry and with no sign of leakage. reservoir also on the level. could it be concluded that the 2 cylinders are ok?






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    I made a 2mm shim for the foot of the rod and compensate for its wear on the cylinder socket. I imagined that this 2mm extension would allow the disc to detach from the plateau. But there was no sign of improvement.










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    So, the hydraulics sound like they maintain pressure, and unless you haven't checked the fork/yoke rightly .. then really the only other probable suspect is a dead clutch plate.
    If no pressure on the pedal, this could be due to a few things:

    1/. most likely a broken thrust bearing. The fork pushes on a bearing(I think plastic) on the pressure plate. If the bearing breaks, it can loose contact with either the fork or the plate.
    I would have thought you would hear noises with a broken thrust bearing.


    2/. too many(or all) broken fingers on the plate so not releasing. Not so common as the broken thrust bearing, but have seen it myself.

    You did say non genuine parts for the master cylinder... what about the clutch itself?

    If the hydraulics are working with pressure, then the next obvious part in this problem is gearbox will need to come out.

    Can you move the fork by hand in any way? is there a lot of slackness in the way it moves back and forth?
    Arthur.

    All these discos are giving me a heart attack!

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