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    4HP22e cooler line pressure?

    Hi all,

    hopefully just a quick question and simple answer...

    Does anyone know the actual line pressure that the cooler sees?

    I read everything from low pressure (eg just use garden hose and some clamps!) through to they run very high pressure (anything less than full crimped hydraulic fittings will cause the world to stop spinning...)

    Quick background,
    I am currently in the process of rebuilding my auto as the front shaft decided to explore the surroundings it managed to basically flatten the steel trans cooler lines in the normal place (both lines) as genuine replacements are costly and hard to get I was looking at replacing the damaged section with hydraulic flex hose and AN fittings. I have read many places stating that the electronic controlled transmissions run much higher pressure through the cooler lines, I'm just wanting to make sure I use the right hose etc.

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    They do run high pressure, I cant recall the psi off the top of my head. Unless you run proper line, coolers and fittings then they will blow apart and drop all of the ATF. You need to run proper pressure fittings in that system. Hose clamps and flared pipe ends are not good enough.

    I worked all of this out the expensive and time consuming way. As soon as I went to pressure fittings then it has been perfect ever since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    Unless you run proper line, coolers and fittings then they will blow apart and drop all of the ATF. You need to run proper pressure fittings in that system. Hose clamps and flared pipe ends are not good enough.
    My local Indie describes it perfectly: KAPOW!!! He told me this after mine did it, again. I used one of the hose mobs to repair mine. It's astonishing how quickly the trans can empty itself. And very messy. First time I left a thick trail for maybe 150 metres before FTP occurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    My local Indie describes it perfectly: KAPOW!!! He told me this after mine did it, again. I used one of the hose mobs to repair mine. It's astonishing how quickly the trans can empty itself. And very messy. First time I left a thick trail for maybe 150 metres before FTP occurred.
    Absolutely, summed it up perfectly. One of the times the tranny guy (I know....) didn't even get mine out of his driveway before it dropped its ATF. This is why I'm a massive massive fan of the Davis Performance ATF cooler, because it works and is 100% reliable, unlike every other one I've tried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    I'm a massive massive fan of the Davis Performance ATF cooler, because it works and is 100% reliable, unlike every other one I've tried.
    Wish I'd known about them ten or so years ago... Overheating killed mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tins View Post
    Wish I'd known about them ten or so years ago... Overheating killed mine.
    Totally. I did an ECU upgrade and Intercooler upgrade probably 15 years ago and it pretty much toasted the transmission which was why the additional ATF cooler. The Auto was rebuilt several times, but pretty much if the light comes on then the damage is already done. The final solution was DPL ATF Coooler and the box rebuilt (again) with ZF 4HP 3/4th gears. It has been perfect ever since. My theory with these autos is the cooler the better!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slunnie View Post
    Totally. I did an ECU upgrade and Intercooler upgrade probably 15 years ago and it pretty much toasted the transmission which was why the additional ATF cooler. The Auto was rebuilt several times, but pretty much if the light comes on then the damage is already done. The final solution was DPL ATF Coooler and the box rebuilt (again) with ZF 4HP 3/4th gears. It has been perfect ever since. My theory with these autos is the cooler the better!
    Mine too. I also think they don't actually carry enough oil for the application. Fine in a Beemer on the autobahn, not so much in a nearly three tonne off roader. There isn't enough oil to cool, if you get my drift.
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    Thanks for the replies

    I'm definitely going to be using proper hydraulic crimp fittings and weld on adaptors, I was basically just checking to see what the minimum standard would be. No way will I be trusting hose clamps etc

    Cheers
    Redd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddirt204 View Post
    Thanks for the replies

    I'm definitely going to be using proper hydraulic crimp fittings and weld on adaptors, I was basically just checking to see what the minimum standard would be. No way will I be trusting hose clamps etc

    Cheers
    Redd
    Wise move. I used Pirtek, but only because it was the closest. All the hydraulic hose mobs will sort it. Dearer than hose clamps, but only in the short term.

    Don't do what I did and leave an O ring in the top connection of the trans. Fixing that on the side of the road was

    In my defence, I fitted the thing on my back in a dirt yard in the first place, and the O ring got overlooked. Won't do that again.
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    Just a heads up...

    To repair the 2 lines, you will have to remove them. The quick connect fitting between the lines and the ATF cooler has a reputation for blowing off once they have been disturbed.

    Its worth making sure you have them very clean before removing them so that nothing in the mechanism gets damaged from having grit jammed in them during removal.

    Given that they didn't blow themselve off the ATF cooler, you may be fine, but if it were me, I'd replace the lines and not risk any future reliability problems.
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