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Prices on Defender models have dropped quite a lot over the last 6 months, just like any vehicle I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astrid14
Australia is still one of the cheapest countries to buy a Defender, U.K, U.S.A and Japan prices on Defenders are insanity.
Although there is Land Cruiser 79 series prices floating from 90K to 200K
With both breeds in the stable.
the jimny is about a 2/3 size defender 110, and about 7/8ths of a 90, and about twice as much fun.
I can confirm that you can, in a pinch load up 2 swags,cloths, some tooling, recovery gear, and 2 adults along with food and water plus oil and some limited spare parts without needing the roof rack.
Same for LC76.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazzaTD5
One of my sons sold his ‘09 110 Defender for high $60s around three yrs ago(sold in 24 hrs),and picked up a new 76 for $67K.
Sure he spent $10K on mods for the 76,but it is now worth huge money.And has had numerous offers for it.
The Defender was $48K new in 2009.Probably spent $10K on repairs and mods on it,but it did a heap of off road and beach travelling all over the country.
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Originally Posted by goingbush
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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus
I have to disagree with both these sentiments. As a long distance touring vehicle, where supplies can be limited in availability, the Jimny's 300-ish kg load capacity(1100kg tare, 1400kg GVM) make it unsuitable for any extended stay out in the boondocks, where you have to bring everything in with you.
Else you need to consider using the most uber lightweight everything, and forego some small luxuries. But fuel and water are a given, they they both weight a kg per litre so no real workaround here.
As a short distance day tripper type vehicle, could be fine(and fun), and as a solo only extended tourer too, but add that second body and life extending supplies for this additional body, and it's limited in it's extent.
I dunno the capacity of a series 2 or 3 shorty, but I'd be sure that it could haul more than 300 kg.
Dude, thousands of people circumnavigate the country and do desert crossings on motorcycles haven't you seen people on pushbikes in outback Australia ?, I saw a bloke on foot pushing a wheelbarrow . 360kg is heaps , if you still want to bring the kitchen sink Ironman do an upgrade to 690kg. BTW a SWB Series3 payload is 450kg.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK83
You just don't need all that crap.
Sorry to be pedantic Arthur, but petrol only weighs .8kg/l. Otherwise I agree with your sentiments. When most people go on a trip, it is for pleasure.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK83
It might make the grade if minimalism, living on army rations and sleeping on the ground is your idea of a good time, but most prefer to sit back in a comfortable camping chair, with a commercially produced bevy, after a proper meal, before retiring to a semicomfortable bed within basic protection from the elements.
I've not had anything to do with a Jimny, but I owned a Suzuki SJ413, so long wheelbase 1.3 litre, 5 speed.
I travelled all over with that car, Western QLD, Western NSW, Vic high country, NT, WA a couple of times, but never got to Tassie.
It had water over the bonnet often, snow up to the door handles occasionally, it did all the hard trips with the big cars, it was cheap to run, easy to work on and stupidly reliable.
It one of the cars I really miss.
It was replaced by an 85 Isuzu County 110, the luxury and comfort of this move was absolutely amazing, unfortunately the 110 was written off.
It was replaced with a 130 Defender, not as comfortable as the County, but streets ahead of the Suzuki.
My youngest has a 300Tdi manual, the D1 was the the car that saved Land Rover, it's comfortable, capable off road and on, 25 years ago it would have been quite something.
My eldest has a D2 auto, it's quite the step up from the D1.
Tony
thanks. it would be great to go around with a jimny for sure. little, reliable and exciting/fun to drive i am sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyC
hearing as well though that the d1/d2s are quite the money sink, and defenders to an extent, yet i get the impression that defenders are more easily serviceable and reliable than the D2s at least. not counting the 2.4L puma? Or is it a misconception that this is an unreliable one.
There seems to be a marked difference in price between all of the 2.2L and 2.4Ls available - i might assume that it is because there arent as many engine parts anymore for the pumas.
please correct me if i am wrong.
Define "money sink"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Astrid14
My 130 Defender is 27 years old and has 300,000km on the clock.
The youngest D1 is 25 years old and has 500,000km on the clock.
The eldest D2 is 20 odd years old, I don't know the mileage.
So yes they have more maintenance than a new Hyundai, but parts are available and not expensive, both the boys and I do our own labour.
I would not describe any of them as a money sink, but buying a 20 plus year old, hi mileage anything is likely to need work and money first up, and anything outside warranty always has a risk of an expensive failure.
A new car on finance is my idea of a money sink.
You seem to assume Defenders are the 2.4/2.2 Ford motor.
The 110 goes back to the 1980s, in Australia it had the Rover 3.5 litre petrol V8, or the Isuzu 3.9 litre 4 cylinder diesel.
When the Discovery was released, Land Rover had to have a model name for what was just a Land Rover, so it became the Defender.
The Defender and D1 both had the 200Tdi 4 cylinder diesel and a 5 speed manual, and the 3.5 litre V8 was available in the Discovery.
The 200 Tdi was replaced with the 300Tdi, with an auto option in the Discovery, the V8 was available in the Discovery.
The Defender and D1 share a lot of mechanicals, and design.
The D2 was released with the Td5 or 4 litre V8 and manual or auto, the Td5 and manual was used in the Defender.
At some point 2007?? under Fords ownership the Defender got the Ford Puma 2.4 and 6 speed gearbox, the 2.4 was replaced with the 2.2, these are the Puma Defenders, with the bulgey bonnet, modern (for a Defender) dash, real AC, but lost the under windscreen vents
Tony
Owning a D1 / D2 has been described to me by other owners as a 'money sink'. Though i am guessing, unlike you, they do not do their own labor - and possibly might be referring to the fact that they might abuse them.
I personally do not mind about investing money initially, doing preventative maintenance where necessary with the vision in mind of looking after a car that i really like, and enjoy to drive - that can accomplish the tasks required. Even after an initial investment - from an enjoyment factor I wouldn't mind investing more where required to add a few modern luxuries where possible so that any performance might be enhanced.
The defenders are indeed a dream car, probably for many - myself included, and i really like the idea of being able to work on an engine where possible and over time, build something up with all the practicalities that come from learned failures, experience and enjoyment/other enthusiasts.
When i say money sink, i mean investing money where i never expect to get it back - unlike a 76 or some such.
The experience of owning, learning, adapting after issues etc or investing, fixing as things go wrong... is the way to go i guess?
My hope is that with the right attitude, money, care and work** they will go forever.