Cooper Discoverer ATR 235/70/R16 - not another tire thread

[Chucaro]

Do you mean I would have to waste $1400 getting a set, then be dissapointed with how they lasted before my experiences would be valid?

I know what I have seen first hand. I know the trouble that the tyre purchaser (friend and customer) went through with Coopers trying to get some satisfaction after his ATRs were almost unserviceable within 5000km. I know that he fitted one BFG All Terrain and used it in the same conditions with NO issues whatsoever.

I know that it is possible to learn from other peoples misfortunes.
I am trying to help someone else make an informed decision. I am not saying buy / don't buy, I am just offering up experience.

Well said mate, I am the same and share your views about "I know that it is possible to learn from other peoples misfortunes"

Just wonder if this is because I am over 60's

[big guy]

Hmm

Touchy.

The above question was in regards the meaning of sever(should be Severe?).
Suddenly make more sense.

I believe the question raised is one of facts versus fiction.
I love my facts, I had above tyre on my RRC and had no problems at all, good price, quiet, good tyre wear and temperature variations in hot and cold.
Off road however they were just O.K, as they are more a road tyre but we all know that.

I run Michelin XPC which I truly believe are a great compromise. My main driving is on-road and for that they are brilliant, off road fine and when things get very tricky, I turn back as I know that's not what they are intended for.

When a member is offering his advice, it is often not just personnal experience but through a 3rd person or so.
I find it still very valid and always listen, when the facts get clouded by the hunt of a higher post count, I do begin to wonder why.

On tyres again though and in my experince and what I have been told is that most modern tyres are pretty good these days, punctures and chunks can happen on any tyre, its just bad luck sometimes.
A lot of research goes into rubber these days, so a quality brand will often be exactly that, a quality tyre. They may not be everyones idea of that but thats life.

We`are all different.

[Tombie]

I love facts too...

Fact... My good friend of many years nearly died along with his entire family when one of his new Coopers suddenly BLEW the tread off (delaminated completely) at 100km/h on the highway between Adelaide and Melbourne.

Fact... When he fitted the spare it lasted only 50km before doing exactly the same thing again...

Fact... Friend with a Prado had his new 17" coopers delaminate an entire tread belt at speed, luckily he managed to slow safely with his camper attached.

Fact... Coopers is under multiple law suits in the USA for similar incidents up to and including death....

Fact... Coopers had a couple of insiders testify to bad manufacturing practices...

Fact... Coopers on friends vehicles show drastic chipping after a run to Innaminka that other brands on same model vehicles do not...

Fact... Several people who have ran Coopers on THIS BOARD have had chunks ripped out of their Coopers tread...

Fact... Coopers seem like value for money with the warranty.. Until you read the bit that states "once used offroad the warranty is void"

Fact... There are better tyres out there!

FACT... 4 pi$$y bits of rubber are all that keeps you, your family etc safe on the road... Why would ANYONE risk their lives or those of loved ones on tyres with a known history of failure?

Fact... After 7 years you shouldnt be running ANY tyre really... Tyres age... Unless your doing 80,000km in under 7 years the extra tyre life is a moot point.... And a tyre below 5mm tread is useless on and offroad.. Especially in the wet... Even if it is still considered 'legal'

[Tombie]

Quality Brand?

Who told you that story!

Coopers are not a quality brand, rather just a 'brand'...

To raise their profile, Coopers went and purchased a "Quality Brand" they still manufacture that brand in its own independent factory to maintain quality and sell those tyres as such (with prices to suit)

[Chucaro]

I remember more than 30 years ago I used (for a very short time) work as a maintenance fitter on Firestone @ Parramatta rd , NSW

If we like to have a set of new tyres for our cars we used to let the chargehand on the molds section and he will cook the set just for a few minutes longer.
The result..... long lasting tyres with a good grip

Just wonder if the trouble tyres of today are from a bad batch made on Monday morning or the last before a long weekend

[Chucaro]

Tombie, in Firestone, on the tyre assembly line if the operator used the wrong soap to wash his hands he will lost the job on the spot.
Wrong soap and delimatation will be for sure!

[big guy]

Wow

How about all those facts!!!!

You did your research?

Did you ever search the history on Pirelli scorpions, Yokahamas and BFG's?

I swore by BFG and so did my mate who had 3 blow outs going up through the flinders, I had none, not even a cut in my coopers.
I admit mine were almost new and his had 20,000km's on them.
Bad batch, who knows but thats what happened.

Oh and why is someone getting so worked up?

Its just another tyre comparison is it not?

[Tombie]

Wow

How about all those facts!!!!

You did your research?

Did you ever search the history on Pirelli scorpions, Yokahamas and BFG's?

I swore by BFG and so did my mate who had 3 blow outs going up through the flinders, I had none, not even a cut in my coopers.
I admit mine were almost new and his had 20,000km's on them.
Bad batch, who knows but thats what happened.

Oh and why is someone getting so worked up?

Its just another tyre comparison is it not?

BFG had a very bad run for a while actually, with the belt edges breaking away and causing damage resulting in blow outs....

Considering my significant involvement with guys in the tyre industry I actually have a very good knowledge of issues, etc...

I have even been given tyres to test on occasion... As well as been involved in other development work for LR specific product with other manufacturers (not relevant to this thread)

So yes, I'm aware of those other issues.... Nice argument attempt.

As for worked up... Whatever you think....

For the record, in ALL the offroading I've ever done, I have never had a blow out, tread let go, puncture... Nothing....
Does that make my tyres exceptional? No.... In fact on a trip where 3 vehicles destroyed tyres I was one of 2 others with no damage at all...
Funny how I was running the same brand as 2 others....


And yes, once again... A thread on freakin tyres... Yet another one....

Considering at the end of the day almost all threads like this end up with...
"I got these 'cause they were the best price"

It shows how much of a total waste of bandwidth these recurring threads actually are.


Heres some advice from a tyre store mate of mine...

Pick the terrain you'd like to go on for your annual trips...
Buy tyres to suit that terrain...

Eg.. AT if you go Beach / Touring
MT if you go mud plugging...
HT if you never leave the black top

Better to have a tyre that will perform in those situations than to have a ruined holiday every year due to poor tyre selection.



How about either of the following:
225-75-16 Mickey T ATZ (29.4")
245-75-16 Mickey T ATZ (30.5")

Far superior tyre for both life and quality / handling.

[scarry]

Considering at the end of the day almost all threads like this end up with...
"I got these 'cause they were the best price"

So true.............


And how many people actually look after their tyres,check pressures regularly,and rotate every5 to 10 k,not many.

[B92 8NW]

I love facts too...

Fact... My good friend of many years nearly died along with his entire family when one of his new Coopers suddenly BLEW the tread off (delaminated completely) at 100km/h on the highway between Adelaide and Melbourne.

Fact... When he fitted the spare it lasted only 50km before doing exactly the same thing again...

Hey Tombie is your friend that Will guy, administrates on D2AU?

I'd ordered five of the same Coopers in the same size. The day before I went to have them fitted I saw that thread. Nasty photos

Went elsewhere bought something different