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Thread: 3 Amigos NOT ABS Modulator Shuttle Valve???

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    3 Amigos NOT ABS Modulator Shuttle Valve???

    Hi guys, some of you were kind enough to give me some advice on the troublesome and mysterious 3 amigos. Here's an update....

    I rang the NSW dealer I bought the car from, and to be fair, he did accept responsibility for the repair, subject to being able to choose the repairer in SA. So the local land rover guys (who will remain nameless) took the car and ran a diagnostic and said it came up with a fault with the shuttle valve switch. They replaced the switches and re-calibrated the system (exactly how it reads on the repair details).

    Ok, so only 1 problem, after picking up the car and driving it for 10 mins, the 3 amigos appeared again! MY GOD WHAT HAVE I GOTTEN MYSELF INTO! Seriously had I read this forum prior to purchase I would not have bought a DISCO 2 (sorry, no offence, but I just wanted a trouble free car, not headaches at the service bay!)

    And I reckon given the dealers attitude towards the 1st repair (reluctant to say the least) he will be less than willing to spend any more on the fault!

    So here is my question, it seems that even though the lights come on, there car performs fine.... So should i even worry about the light??? I read somewhere on a thread that this could cause issues with insurance in the event of a collision....

    My other option is, should the dealer not accept a second claim, is send the car via truck back to NSW from SA (costs about $700) have the dealer do the repairs under the 3 months statutory warranty and then truck it back (costs about $400). But then who's to say after all that, and any repairs the dealer in NSW does, the 3 amigos will not just appear on the cars return!

    Ideally, I would like to just send the car back and get my money back! I have only had the car 6 days, and the 3 amigos first appeared after 2 days! Its just ridiculous!

    This is just sooooo stressful! I mean I know used cars always have maintenance and repair costs, but to have a used car come up with a fault literally immediately upon delivery is just really hard to swallow. Plus every time I call the NSW dealer I bought it from, he talks to me as if i'm in the wrong for calling him, like i made the fault appear! I should be the one yelling a swearing not HIM!

    Sorry, a bit of a rant, but any guidance would really be appreciated. I literally put every dollar into this car, and i cant afford any major repair out of my own pocket...

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    Mate, relax, you have bought a great car,
    For starters the dealer is legally bound to fix the problem, take it back to the bloke who tried to repair it and tell him to fix it. Don't worry about the dealer, the car has to be fixed and he knows it. I dont believe about the insurance thing.What ever the repairs you dont have to pay for it and its only up grading bits in your car
    Ok, once this head ache is gone you will love it.
    Did you buy it for travel (touring)? or more extreme off road driving?. Start planing how and where you are going to enjoy this great rig you have bought.

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    BAFFLE

    Thanks mate, i really appreciate that. sometimes you just need to hear some reassuring words. I'm a first time Land Rover owner, and my previous experience with used cars was with ALFA ROMEO (so my memories of warning lights are very EXPENSIVE)

    I really just want it as a daily driver from Mon-Sat (literally to and from work in SA suburbs 10kms) and drive up to the family property in Monarto on Sunday once a month or so, and even there, its not exactly off-roading, just more unsealed and bumpy roads roads and then a few dips and peaks on the property, but NOTHING that you would call heavy 4WD work. I mean an XTRAIL would have done what I need, but I just fell in love with the DISCO 2! And believe me, I am trying to retain my love, but I just am not mechanically minded at all, and all this stuff goes right over my head! Plus there's not much in the way of Land Rover service in SA, and we all know what dealers are like...

    Anyway, back to the drawing board I guess. But thanks again for the reassuring words Baffle.

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    I drove around with the Amigoes on for about a year and a half, they didn't really bother me as I did have some abs and traction control function. It was only when I wanted Traction control to work for me offroad that I fixed the problem. I must be one of the luckiest people with this problem, as all it took to fix mine was to clear the fault codes, that was it. However better not speak too soon, you never know with the amigoes. I agree with Baffle, let the dealer fix it, he has to. And if your warranty runs out and the lights come back, find someone on this forum in your area with a nanocom. They have a map somewhere on here, where people with nanocoms are located. I'm sure they will be more than happy to help you.

    Cheers
    Hendrik

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    I had the same problem, it was traced back to a set of non standard brake pads somehow affecting a sensor, replaced the pads with some OE ones and never had the problem again.

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    Supasquid,

    You have a great car, the worrying path you have begun is that you will gradually form an unnatural bond with it which will eventually consume you. Just look at us lot here on AULRO.

    You didnt mention if you took out a warranty with the dealer. Even so, you are within your rights to get the car fixed and paid for by the dealer. To put your mind at ease why not browse the "Office of Fair Trading" in NSW, Motor vehicles - NSW Office of Fair Trading or contact them directly on 13 32 20.

    The repairer in SA is also under obligation to fix the car and since the "3 Amigos" have many sources, the shuttle valve being only one, it would appear that in the end their diagnosis was wrong or something else is contributing. IMHO they have not finished the job.

    My first "3 Amigos" were fixed by bleading the brakes and clearing the fault codes, cost about $120, second time (18 months later) by squeeking brakes, we checked and cleared the fault codes (no charge) which showed erratic signals from wheel speed sensors and now 3 months later still no faults.

    Some of the guys here have details of an exchange system for the ABS Modulator (another cause of fault codes) in the UK and for around $700 you can swap this unit entirely (normally $2800 ish from LR).

    Once this bug gets ironed out, you can relax and enjoy the vehicle, you have a world marque in your D2. Welcome to the club.

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    Um it still may be the module.

    Shuttle valve switch errors can be caused by brake fluid leaking in the module. Replacing the shuttle valve switch may fix it for a short time until leaking fluid wrecks the replacement.

    There is a mob up in Brisbane (MR Automotive) who rebuild the modules for about $1500.

    You've got a great truck - just teething problems.

    All the best
    Waz

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    Thanks again guys!

    So I took it back to the mob in SA again today, and they ran another diagnostic and the bloke reckons that its DEFINITELY the ABS modulator. Having said that, its also the most expensive part to change, so why wouldnt he say that, its most profitable for him. Not sure if the dealer is gonna cough up for this one tho. I really want an extended warranty for the car now, and I checked in with an old mate at a relatively big Mazda dealership in SA, who normally sorts me out with warranties and he said that Land Rover is one of the very few cars on his un-warranty-able cars. Wonder if I can sort one out from the dealer I bought the car from???

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    Quote Originally Posted by supasquad View Post
    I rang the NSW dealer I bought the car from, and to be fair, he did accept responsibility for the repair, subject to being able to choose the repairer in SA.
    The warranty still applies. Regardless of the fix.

    Waz

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    You Bought a car from a dealer, you have 3 months of free fix ups with faults with the car, this is Aust wide, Guaranteed, This is his job, Take your money and hopefully nothing goes wrong. if you purchased privately for one you would not have p-aid so much for the car but no 3 month warranty.
    The dealer expects problems, and of coarse he is going to whinge a bit.
    I wish in the first 3 months my car would blow up, get everything fixed, its a blessing in disguise. ( I have not had major probs) , You want the probs to happen now. Go for it . its good.

    Now when are you going to get off the beaten track with the SA boys?
    Your missing out
    Yours Mark

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