Thread: New 2010 Bumper for D2

Originally Posted by clubagreenie

Deformation from a side pull is possible but I really don't like those bolt on points. Designed not for this in many ways and if you had any comeback of warranty would the warrant them (or damage caused by failure of) when used in this application?

I prefer the hanging vertical system as applied here, but only when using bow shackles as displayed in the first images which can be loaded (the shackle) angularly. I would also use in conjunction with these a sling or chain to triangulate the winch line back to both points. Putting the load on the bar from the two shackles into some compression across the bar, using the strength of the bar to support the cassis/cans/whatever against potential side-load deformation.

Just a thought

PS I like the bar w/out the top section,

Paul

OK.... From a few points here....

- These bars are ILLEGAL (even in the USA) but their freedoms seem to allow them to get away with it.
Hit someone with one here and see how you get on!

Forward protruding upper bars is an immediate no-no here, you'd be done in short order.

The thin blade on the wings would fold in an animal strike.

The over exposed front wheel areas will increase fuel usage a mile, and make the vehicle wallow on highway during wind... Theres no need except on the most comp based vehicle for so much corner clearance.
The biggest obstacle it will clear would not be navigable by the rest of the vehicle. (Steering gear, chassis etc...)


- These bars effect crash pulse and SRS deployment. I'll put money on it that the bags will blow earlier in an impact.
Ever been hit by an airbag? It doesnt tickle!

- The engineering is solid on these bars, the chassis behind isnt...
A hard knock isnt going to sacrifice the barwork, its going to mess the chassis up quick smart.

The bar IS meant to be sacrificial after all...

A hard recovery that according to the seller bends ARB bars will quickly bend your chassis. I've seen it happen!
Why would you recover so violently that you bend a bar anyhow? Claiming to understand the ins and outs of offroading and yet doing such damage?
I wonder if you were trained by the same guy recovering a Jeep that was posted on this forum some time ago (youtube vid)


The pictures in prior post showing those bolt on recovery points - they have a 27mm bolt, and a solid 6mm plate behind the barwork, rated for lifting so the SWL and inbuilt safety factor is well above any of the recovery gear available on the market you can attach to it!

my personal rig has 4 of the HID 140 lights and 8 of the HID XGT lights in the front... not to mention the four HID 170's in the rear of the truck... you can never have too much lights

Sounds like the usual 'over the top' look...

Yanks seem to love making their 4wds look like Spiders!

Originally Posted by discoveryoffroad

We do ship to OZ. If your interested in on please go to my site take a look email me there and ill send you over the options and prices. I work well with this site and dont want to harm any of his customers. So i wont post dirrect links to it. But yes i do have a shipper for you

Paul

Guys.... If you want to peddle goods on this site...

Do what the rest of us have to... Sign up as a vendor please...

MODS?????

Tombie2 did you not get some last night? To come in the middle of the topic of bumpers and Yell MODS thats really interesting. Clearly I said I will not be posting a sales pitch on here. Just wanted to see what the member think. I got some really good feed back and took alot of the information down. As for the bars being agenst the law thats not true. So your information is not correct. Other then that can i put you down for an order? hell Ill hand deliver it to your door mate if you buy one!!!!

Again there is no tone on here with typing. Tombie its all good man thank you tho for the information and i hate spiders

Paul

Discovery offroad isnt a dealer nor is he the manufacturer... he can talk about the bumpers all he wants... on the other hand, I am the manufacturer, and this isnt my thread... I am just giving information... if I looked to see who was a vendor on here, my Oz connection probably is already so if need be I will direct people to them to by... I just want to make sure information is correct...

now to answer questions... and set facts straight.. no these are not illegal in the US and canada by any means... and the bars dont protrude in front of the bumper, they are flush with the front, just the photo angles make it look otherwise...

these do not affect in any way the deployment of the airbags... they are controlled by sensors in the frame, not the bumper... same force deploys them ... we just prevent more damage to body parts... do a little research and you will find this out as a fact


there is nothing on my bumper that will fold from any animal impact... they have been engineered and built to withstand more force than any other bumper on the market... they have been tested on numerous other vehicles against numerous situations

test it however you please if you that strongly against it... and it doesnt affect fuel mileage at all... all of our rigs are running them and none suffer from fuel economy loss

the bumper is meant to protect the truck, not give away in a crash and do more damage to the product... I have tested this fact accidentally of course, and so have many of my customers...

I have a feeling you work for or closely with ARB with how you are talking... is that so?

Originally Posted by Tombie2

OK.... From a few points here....

- These bars are ILLEGAL (even in the USA) but their freedoms seem to allow them to get away with it.
Hit someone with one here and see how you get on!

Forward protruding upper bars is an immediate no-no here, you'd be done in short order.

The thin blade on the wings would fold in an animal strike.

The over exposed front wheel areas will increase fuel usage a mile, and make the vehicle wallow on highway during wind... Theres no need except on the most comp based vehicle for so much corner clearance.
The biggest obstacle it will clear would not be navigable by the rest of the vehicle. (Steering gear, chassis etc...)


- These bars effect crash pulse and SRS deployment. I'll put money on it that the bags will blow earlier in an impact.
Ever been hit by an airbag? It doesnt tickle!

- The engineering is solid on these bars, the chassis behind isnt...
A hard knock isnt going to sacrifice the barwork, its going to mess the chassis up quick smart.

The bar IS meant to be sacrificial after all...

A hard recovery that according to the seller bends ARB bars will quickly bend your chassis. I've seen it happen!
Why would you recover so violently that you bend a bar anyhow? Claiming to understand the ins and outs of offroading and yet doing such damage?
I wonder if you were trained by the same guy recovering a Jeep that was posted on this forum some time ago (youtube vid)


The pictures in prior post showing those bolt on recovery points - they have a 27mm bolt, and a solid 6mm plate behind the barwork, rated for lifting so the SWL and inbuilt safety factor is well above any of the recovery gear available on the market you can attach to it!



Sounds like the usual 'over the top' look...

Yanks seem to love making their 4wds look like Spiders!

Originally Posted by discoveryoffroad

Just wanted to see what the member think.

Paul

I'm a member so I'll tell you what I think


Your bar would be illegal in Aus, it looks good. I do like the look of your bar but looks don't mean crap and could even go against you if your in prison for manslaughter because the bar you sold to Jo Blow does not meet ADR's for road cars.

Ever seen what a roo does to a car? I think you should, then go back and redesign the bar. Most strikes would affect the front hand quarters of the car so with your bar fitted, you've just lost, big time. The roo is either under the bar and car or dependent on jump, or size in your lap. Your bar is basically useless as a form of protection against animal strikes.

Off road applications have allready been discussed to death

So why have it? looks? American style **** factor?


Either way go get a Vendors membership before you start selling your illegal bars on this site.

I must reiterate, Discovery offroad is in no way connected to the company... he is not an employee and he is not paid to do any work for us... He just pushed us to design one and subsequently ordered one... and I just showed up to answer questions... I am not trying to sell and I am not posting prices.. I am not about to violate rules... I just dont want incorrect information posted...

I will say I appreciate your truthfulness... and I have seen what a roo does to a car... with that said, show me a design other than an exo skeleton that will truly protect against a roo

and like I said, I am willing to put my bumper up against anyone bumper offroad anytime...

Originally Posted by dobbo

I'm a member so I'll tell you what I think


Your bar would be illegal in Aus, it looks good. I do like the look of your bar but looks don't mean crap and could even go against you if your in prison for manslaughter because the bar you sold to Jo Blow does not meet ADR's for road cars.

Ever seen what a roo does to a car? I think you should, then go back and redesign the bar. Most strikes would affect the front hand quarters of the car so with your bar fitted, you've just lost, big time. The roo is either under the bar and car or dependent on jump, or size in your lap. Your bar is basically useless as a form of protection against animal strikes.

Off road applications have allready been discussed to death

So why have it? looks? American style **** factor?


Either way go get a Vendors membership before you start selling your illegal bars on this site.

Originally Posted by DunesRunner08

test it however you please if you that strongly against it... and it doesnt affect fuel mileage at all... all of our rigs are running them and none suffer from fuel economy loss

the bumper is meant to protect the truck, not give away in a crash and do more damage to the product... I have tested this fact accidentally of course, and so have many of my customers...

1. Well, technically ANY (not just yours) bar will negatively affect fuel economy, due to the additional weight being carried by the vehicle. It's probably negligible though and difficult to measure accurately. Yes I'm being picky. yes as I said your bar is no different to any other in this respect.

2. MANY of your customers have tested it in crash situations ? Jeez they are either really unlucky as a group, really bad drivers as a group, or your bar leads to more crashes somehow ??


You mention you have a local seller. If you want to continue to "plug" the product I suggest that you get your local guy to join here as a vendor and he is then welcome to advertise them and plug them til the cows come home.

(for some reason our cows are frequently away from home).