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    Lynx diagnostics

    Came across this new diagnostic tool mentioned in the latest issue of Britpart Land Rover Monthly.

    http://britpart.com/Accessory.aspx?AccessoryRef=5480

    It's basically a windows based diagnostic tool, so requires a laptop to run. It's been developed in conjunction with Omnitec who produce the Testbook T4 system for LR.

    Haven't been able to find out much beyond that and can't access the coverage chart at present so no idea how it compares with the EVO or Hawkeye. The obvious thing is it isn't standalone.

    The price I've seen mentioned is £250 for a single vehicle unlock.

    Cheers
    Paul

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    The coverage chart is here Paul: http://www.lynx-diagnostics.com/down...nx_booklet.pdf

    It doesn't seem to be anywhere near as comprehensive as the existing BlackBox or IIDTool equipment, though covers more vehicles in one piece of equipment.

    I saw it yesterday, in hunting around trying to find a reasonable competitor to a Faultmate that I keep hovering over the "Buy Now" button on the BBS website

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheerluck View Post
    The coverage chart is here Paul: http://www.lynx-diagnostics.com/down...nx_booklet.pdf

    It doesn't seem to be anywhere near as comprehensive as the existing BlackBox or IIDTool equipment, though covers more vehicles in one piece of equipment.

    I saw it yesterday, in hunting around trying to find a reasonable competitor to a Faultmate that I keep hovering over the "Buy Now" button on the BBS website
    Couldn't download yesterday, but after a quick peek it looks like the module support is the same as the Hawkeye, which is hardly surprising given Omitec make both devices and Britpart clearly intend this as a competitor to Bearmach's Hawkeye.

    It's a bit hard to tell exactly how the support levels differ from these coverage charts. BBS gives a far more granular breakdown of what is covered by each module, whereas the Hawkeye (and presumably the Lynx) just give a general indication of module capabilities. Going by the Hawkeye user manual (which is a bit of a punt) there only are minor differences in module support on the D2 for example, with the obvious exception of .map uploads.

    Having a trawl through the Lynx data can be recorded and played back for analysis. This has been the single feature that has made the EVO the best low cost diagnostic tool on the market from my perspective. I'd be very interested to see how the Lynx live data read//records perform in real life.

    cheers
    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffTrack View Post
    .........Having a trawl through the Lynx data can be recorded and played back for analysis. This has been the single feature that has made the EVO the best low cost diagnostic tool on the market from my perspective. I'd be very interested to see how the Lynx live data read//records perform in real life.

    cheers
    Paul
    There is a brief glimpse of this on one of the videos. Not enough of a look to make any major decision on though.

    I came to the conclusion that it would be useful for anything 98-07ish, but for anything more recent (and you're looking for more than just a diagnostics/code clearer), you'd be better looking at a Faultmate......which I still am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheerluck View Post
    There is a brief glimpse of this on one of the videos. Not enough of a look to make any major decision on though.

    I came to the conclusion that it would be useful for anything 98-07ish
    Based on the coverage chart the Lynx has support for Freelander 2 2007->, Discovery 3 2005-2009, Discovery 4 2010->, Range Rover Sport 2006 -2009, Range Rover Sport 2010->, L322 Range Rover 2007 - 2009, L322 Range Rover 2010->.

    What aspects of the support would rule it out for post-2007 LR's?

    cheers
    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffTrack View Post
    ....What aspects of the support would rule it out for post-2007 LR's?.....
    Paul,

    I wouldn't say I was ruling it out, it was the ability to program/change/add features in particular that I was looking at. Which meant that for >2007ish vehicles (D3/4 RRS and L322 and Puma) that it would be just (!) a diagnostics and fault clearing tool only.

    Perhaps I should point out that what I'm measuring against is the abilities of the Faultmate. I'm looking for something that will support my D3 in as comprehensive a manner as possible, with the ability to upgrade in the near future to a D4 or RRS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheerluck View Post
    Paul,

    I wouldn't say I was ruling it out, it was the ability to program/change/add features in particular that I was looking at. Which meant that for >2007ish vehicles (D3/4 RRS and L322 and Puma) that it would be just (!) a diagnostics and fault clearing tool only.

    Perhaps I should point out that what I'm measuring against is the abilities of the Faultmate. I'm looking for something that will support my D3 in as comprehensive a manner as possible, with the ability to upgrade in the near future to a D4 or RRS.
    Thanks for clarifying that. I'm not really up with the comparative abilities of the tools for the later models so was curious.

    cheers
    Paul

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    Blackbox Vs lynx-diagnostics

    Im looking to purchase a diagnostics tool for my Range rover classic. I didn't want it limited to the classic as Ive owned a P38 in the past but sold it as every-time it had a fault the local dealer would demand a sell a child to pay for the cost of clearing the fault code (sarcasm).

    Now Im more confidant and knowledgeable I will be looking at a P38 again as a daily drive. My off road truck is a RRC. Ive been playing around with the EAS using rswsolutions.com software and running resistors inline through a switch to have greater ride height options.

    Ive been searching for a diagnostics tool was was set on buying the Faultmate MSV2 but now read of a new option from Lynx Diagnostics Lynx Diagnostics

    What are the pro's on cons of both systems? which one is the better unit? has anyone used both of them that can give a educated feedback?

    Thanks

    Christian. "newbie"
    South Australia

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    Quote Originally Posted by CWhamond View Post
    Im looking to purchase a diagnostics tool for my Range rover classic. I didn't want it limited to the classic as Ive owned a P38 in the past but sold it as every-time it had a fault the local dealer would demand a sell a child to pay for the cost of clearing the fault code (sarcasm).

    Now Im more confidant and knowledgeable I will be looking at a P38 again as a daily drive. My off road truck is a RRC. Ive been playing around with the EAS using rswsolutions.com software and running resistors inline through a switch to have greater ride height options.

    Ive been searching for a diagnostics tool was was set on buying the Faultmate MSV2 but now read of a new option from Lynx Diagnostics Lynx Diagnostics

    What are the pro's on cons of both systems? which one is the better unit? has anyone used both of them that can give a educated feedback?

    Thanks

    Christian. "newbie"
    South Australia
    You'll be lucky to find anyone on AULRO who has used both so don't expect a flood of informed feedback

    The Lynx is a fairly new product, and from the promotional video demonstrating it's use it looks a bit half-baked//clunky. TBH I've not seen a Faultmate in usage so don't have a benchmark for performance.

    I'd recommend you think about how you want to use the tool. If it's something you want to be able to take with you on trips the Lynx is going to be of limited usefulness due to the fact that it requires a laptop to use.

    The Faultmate is probably the gold standard, especially if you are looking at workshop grade equipment. That said, BBS has ported the P38 modules across to the Nanocom so it has virtually identical coverage to the Faultmate MSV. Where the difference lies is the "operating system" features - saving of reports, live data recording, and interface.

    The area where the BBS gear is a clear step above the competition is in it's live data recording, and to a lesser extent in the packaging of the gear. Aluminium cases are always nicer than moulded plastics

    The biggest advantage of the Hawkeye and Lynx systems lies in that they are developed by Omnitec who produced the Testbook Systems that were the Factory dealer diagnostic systems. This guarantees that the diagnostics and comms are written from the basis of direct access to the original software.

    BBS gear has been written at least in part by reserve engineering the Testbook diagnostic system protocols* and by bench testing against a large collection of ECU. I've found that there are some errors in the reporting of fault codes and incomplete sensor data reporting when compared with other tools (on the d2 td5 module at least). The D2 code was inherited from the original developer of the Nanocom, whereas the P38 modules are BBS's own work so there is a distinct possibility the P38 modules are better written and less buggy.

    You might want to consider this post by Paul @ HardRange on the FaultMate and Nanocom: P38 Diagnostics/Troubleshooting

    Not sure if this helps at all, but that's my two cents.

    cheers
    Paul

    * see post by Colin/BBS Guy/BBS Spy at DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - TD5 OBDII Tuning

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    It's been developed in conjunction with Omnitec who produce the Testbook T4 system for LR.
    I see this claim being made, however, AFAIK, Omitec only ever produced a simple interface box for the very earliest systems that were well before the Testbook, 1, 2 and 3 with their built in dedicated communication interfaces which obsoleted the omitec hardware it way back in the 80's.
    The Testbooks were all produced and manufactured by Hewlett Packard. The software these use was produced by various other companies.

    When Ford took over ownership of Land Rover in early 2000 and started implimenting CAN BUS technology, The were using a dedicated touch screen based Diagnostic system produced by Genrad, the GDS 3500 (Genrad Diagnostic system) re badged for Ford as the WDS (Worldwide Diagnostic System). As the newest T4 that used an ethernet connection to a Dell laptop had only just been supplied to LR dealers Ford had Genrad come up with an ethernet based add on interface that was called the GNA 600.

    WDS was added to the T4, later to be renamed IDS (Integrated Diagnostic system and now currently the SDD (Symptom Derived Diagnostics)

    I confess that my knowledge and understand of the history may not be entirely 100% accurate, and you are welcome to do your own google searches but i do know for sure that omitec only ever had a very small role to play from a really very very long time ago, certainly befor most vehicles of any current interest and even then would have been bound by agreements. As a result it was actually years after the initial release of the Hawkeye that the Lynx just the PC based equivilent of that some systems were covered in even a basic form such as P38 Heveac that one would have really expected to be covered at launch with such insider knowledge access claims.
    Colin
    MD of Blackbox Solutions Ltd.
    www.blackbox-solutions.com

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