G wagon hopeless

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

The G-wagen has been proven many times by armies around the world. Wikipedia lists 35 countries which use or used the MB/Puch G-Wagen.

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Sorry should have put that down as Australian Army. This land is pretty unique, as are its drivers!

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Originally Posted by Ranga

So, I wonder how well the Defender would perform on the same track with front and rear lockers?

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Was a bit of a tiresome article.

I've got no doubt that the G-Wagon is a good thing (I wouldn't mind one myself to be honest) but you can't really compare the ability of one to the other when one has two locked axles and the other has none...doh:confused:

I suspect Defender and G-Wagon will both be around a lot longer than that website...

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Originally Posted by lardy

ate of a mate heard from his mate there is a button, which if not pressed before fording probably won't cause any problems...

No a major who is part of the acquisitions trials team and also an officer at work who is also in the pilbara regt confirmed the above not a mate of a mate actually.

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Isnt that what started all of this?

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

The G-wagen has been proven many times by armies around the world. Wikipedia lists 35 countries which use or used the MB/Puch G-Wagen.



AFAIK $200k is the civvie version which is IFS.
The military version is not available in AU, but is sold in the EU as the G-Wagen "Professional", starting at E80k.

Still expensive though.

However the AU army were paying $100k each for landrovers when the general public were paying $20-40k for an almost identical vehicle.

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the 100K for the 110 also included parts for the contracted life of type of the vehicle and

yeah no, $200Kish for the base model merc.

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Originally Posted by steane

Was a bit of a tiresome article.

I've got no doubt that the G-Wagon is a good thing (I wouldn't mind one myself to be honest) but you can't really compare the ability of one to the other when one has two locked axles and the other has none...doh:confused:

I suspect Defender and G-Wagon will both be around a lot longer than that website...

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sure you can you're just not allowed to publish the result. :twisted:

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

the fact that the TD5s being sold off first before the Perenties which were at least 12 years older, pretty much tells you everything about the Army's opinion of the TD5.

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Gotta burst ya bubble mate.:twisted::twisted:
The TD5 fenders were purchased primarily to replace and augment white fleet cars. We simply didn't have enough white fleet to get us places. In fact the TD5 fenders were only olive drab on the bits you could see. All the other bits were still that british racing green colour. They were in no way militarised or soldier proofed. They were sold first as they were offloaded as part of a white fleet reduction program.

We never even maintained them, they were part of lend leases agreement.

We would have gladly kept them though.:D:D

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Originally Posted by Ranga

So, I wonder how well the Defender would perform on the same track with front and rear lockers?

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I expect in a similar way.

But that is not the comparison the ADF driver will be making. It is a bit like saying which vehicle would you prefer to take into difficult conditions, a defender with open diffs or one with front and rear diff locks? That in effect is the comparison the Army driver will be making, plus the G-Wagen has air con and an auto. For better or worse, that is what the ADF have. Just as well as most young drivers probably will not know what a manual is little less how to use it:angel:

[QUOTE=Blknight.aus;1789286]Isnt that what started all of this?



the 100K for the 110 also included parts for the contracted life of type of the vehicle and

yeah no, $200Kish for the base model merc.


Yup, that makes sense Dave (for the LR 110), all ...well, I assume all Acquisition plus ISS contracts prices would be hard to drag apart...as in "if I only wanted to buy one with no support".

Don't understand your next comment though "Yeah no, $200Kish"! What point are you making my friend? :-) Cost of ISS is too high/low/right on or is this the base unit price?

Cheers,

Kev.

base unit price is $200kish...

sustainment contract is not a complete parcel per vehicle price that I'm aware of
(could be wrong but given the spec value of the base model) guestimating the cost of parts and repair (for some of the higher cost jobs) that I've been made aware of so far if if the base unit included its sustainment value $200k might get you to 2 years and thats not counting some of the issues I'm expecting will begin to crop up within the next 5 years.

I suspect that the $200k would include the establishment parts but not the ongoing sustainment for life of type.

Acquisition and support are two different and separate contracts.

Acquisition may deliver the initial batch of spares.

Maybe that you'll just have to rinse out your oil filters Dave ;-)

Some more info in the attached booklet.

Note that the G-wagen started life as a military vehicle and then became a basic utilitarian civilian vehicle with much the same customer base as the Unimog (which as you know has a long association with the ADF) So very much a working vehicle like the van market Its initial customers were utilities/security/emergency vehicles in continental Europe. Fully half of the production line in Graz, Austria, is still for military-spec G-wagens and there are over 60 armies using them. Its likely the production would have stopped a long time ago without the military contracts, although there are still plenty of people will to pay whatever figure MB dreams up for one - which they can get away with due to the very low production numbers (still mostly hand-made)
Later models beginning with W463 model became progressively up-market, right up to the latest V12 TT G65 (an stupendously ridiculous vehicle IMHO)
They are all solid-axle, no IFS.

The basic W461 "Professional" is not available in Australia.