Thread: VW caught by the Yanks for breaking emission laws

Originally Posted by PAT303

Simmo,VW only failed the Californian emissions test,they pass everywhere else.Like I posted earlier,how can a VW that uses 5-6ltres per 100 fail when a Yank motor burning 20+ passes?,makes no sense to me. Pat

Then why do they say 100,000 vehicles are affected here?

Did the vehicles not fail any tests here,but they admit the emissions figures supplied are incorrect?

So they have supplied the wrong figures for all these vehicles?

Maybe many VW owners and their legal representatives are hoping for some $$.

VW seem to be taking things pretty seriously,admitting they are in the wrong,and are saying they have budgeted $10B for rectification to the effected vehicles.

Originally Posted by scarry

Then why do they say 100,000 vehicles are affected here?

Did the vehicles not fail any tests here,but they admit the emissions figures supplied are incorrect?

So they have supplied the wrong figures for all these vehicles?

Maybe many VW owners and their legal representatives are hoping for some $$.

VW seem to be taking things pretty seriously,admitting they are in the wrong,and are saying they have budgeted $10B for rectification to the effected vehicles.

As I understand it, all of the affected vehicles have that software, although in Australia it is inactive. I understand the recall is to remove the cheat part of the program.

Getting them back to compliant vehicles will have an adverse effect on economy and performance. The owners will then be driving quite different vehciles to the ones they signed up for/test drove. And i suspect used VW values will drop generally given the scandal .....i can see why class actions are kicking off all over the world. I heard that German prosecutors raided VW headquarters yesterday.

Cheers

Australia is on Euro 4 and progressively moving to Euro 5/6 by 2018. I'm not sure of all the details of what that means, but I believe it sets limits of emissions per km or parts per million for various types of emissions. There are different standards for light and heavy duty diesel engines, so a truck and a car have different standards to meet.
Maybe someone who understands it better can explain more.
As I understood it, the vehicles were sold after being tested and meeting certain standards under test conditions, but once on the road the software reverted to dirtier settings. VW Australia says on its Facebook site that the 1.6 and 2.0 Tdi engines may not meet the required emissions standards when driven on the road and it will recall 97,000 vehicles, once the software fix is available from VW HQ. So, if VW Australia says its vehicles may not meet the required standard, then that's a clear admission the problem is real here in this market. If the vehicles actually met the Australian standard, then I'm sure they would be saying that loudly and clearly, but they're not - they're saying there is a problem here.
As a buyer of a new vehicle, I expect the vehicle I buy to meet the standards that are legally required in that market and which the company claims it meets. If it actually doesn't meet the standard it is claimed to meet, then that's fraud, I think. Its like any consumer product - the manufacturer says it will do X, but if it actually won't do X, then that's false marketing and the consumer is entitled to a refund.
I can understand why VW buyers are joining class actions. As a consumer they've apparently been dudded. Also, as humans on Planet Earth, they've been denied the chance to buy a vehicle which contributes to cleaner air. I don't want to sound all environmental, but clean air is important, both to the people suffering lung diseases and to the future of humanity.
VW has been exposed as a bad corporate citizen and its reputation has taken a BIG hit.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

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VW has been exposed as a bad corporate citizen and its reputation has taken a BIG hit.

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I think that as far as Australia is concerned, this hits the nail on the head. While they are likely to be hit by fines here, and possibly see some people arrested, the major effect here will be their reputation. (Although, to be honest, it was already a bit shaky for other reasons.)

Owners are likely to try and sue them in class actions, but I am not sure how successful this will be. The USA is where they are in most trouble. In Australia they are a niche market product - in the USA they have manufacturing facilities in Tennessee with a design capacity of over half a million cars a year, and a significant market share plus exports.

John

Originally Posted by ozscott

Getting them back to compliant vehicles will have an adverse effect on economy and performance. The owners will then be driving quite different vehciles to the ones they signed up for/test drove. And i suspect used VW values will drop generally given the scandal .....i can see why class actions are kicking off all over the world. I heard that German prosecutors raided VW headquarters yesterday.

Cheers

Do you have proof of that?. Pat

Chance of some cheap V Dubs on the second hand market soon?

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Australia is on Euro 4 and progressively moving to Euro 5/6 by 2018. I'm not sure of all the details of what that means, but I believe it sets limits of emissions per km or parts per million for various types of emissions. There are different standards for light and heavy duty diesel engines, so a truck and a car have different standards to meet.
Maybe someone who understands it better can explain more.
As I understood it, the vehicles were sold after being tested and meeting certain standards under test conditions, but once on the road the software reverted to dirtier settings. VW Australia says on its Facebook site that the 1.6 and 2.0 Tdi engines may not meet the required emissions standards when driven on the road and it will recall 97,000 vehicles, once the software fix is available from VW HQ. So, if VW Australia says its vehicles may not meet the required standard, then that's a clear admission the problem is real here in this market. If the vehicles actually met the Australian standard, then I'm sure they would be saying that loudly and clearly, but they're not - they're saying there is a problem here.
As a buyer of a new vehicle, I expect the vehicle I buy to meet the standards that are legally required in that market and which the company claims it meets. If it actually doesn't meet the standard it is claimed to meet, then that's fraud, I think. Its like any consumer product - the manufacturer says it will do X, but if it actually won't do X, then that's false marketing and the consumer is entitled to a refund.
I can understand why VW buyers are joining class actions. As a consumer they've apparently been dudded. Also, as humans on Planet Earth, they've been denied the chance to buy a vehicle which contributes to cleaner air. I don't want to sound all environmental, but clean air is important, both to the people suffering lung diseases and to the future of humanity.
VW has been exposed as a bad corporate citizen and its reputation has taken a BIG hit.

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You have posted the same thing numerous times Mick,every Asian built 4wd would fall under ''not fit for purpose'' and the owner could demand their money back.VW should grow a pair and accept the fault and repay all the owners,then take legal action themselves and take all the others makers down with them,I bet the matter would go away very quickly. Pat