Thread: VW caught by the Yanks for breaking emission laws

The major difference to most is, this was done on purpose.
The airbase or ignition keys weren't designed to kill people on purpose to save $$$$ the vw diesel scam was done on purpose to avoid tax with the other result of causing more nox related health issues that will accelerate their deaths.
The adblue would have cost about $330euro per car or 3.3 billion(11million cars), but the supposed fix now is a restricted mesh that is supposed to "guide the airflow" and a 30min-1hr software update. Now if that is all it takes why not do it 4 years ago when an internal engineers raised the issue, or 12 months ago when the uni report was first made.
To a lot of peoples thinking the fix will potentially cause other issues such as power loss, increased fuel use or more wear on other bits, like the egr.

No - All of those companies knew for years of the problem. GM specifically knew of the issue and yet put the switch in to save $.

The irony is that the person who alerted EPA was trying to show Americans that diesel was clean, low poluting etc

Originally Posted by bsperka

No - All of those companies knew for years of the problem. GM specifically knew of the issue and yet put the switch in to save $.

You missed my point, whilst all knew for years afterwards, only vw designed the problem in before production began on purpose!
Gm didn't say to their engineers "design a ignition switch that will fail if you have more than 5 other keys on the ring, "nor did Toyota say "design the airbag to blow crop into a drivers face and make the carpet stick behind the brakes for tax reductions ". Vw did exactly that.
They said meet emissions level x to get tax break y, but don't spend anything so we can maximise profit. Ohh look the Bosch ecu costs $2 extra with dual programs whereas the adblue system Costs $330 plus customers have to refill every xz,000 km and it will increase fuel consumption by 2-5% reducing our tax breaks.

Originally Posted by frantic

...whereas the adblue system Costs $330 plus customers have to refill every xz,000 km and it will increase fuel consumption by 2-5% reducing our tax breaks.

I agree with the rest but AFAIK many of the vehicles in question have SCR (adblue) systems fitted.

Personally I agree that VWs actions were deliberate cheating and so are worse. Millions of people have respiratory problems worsened by vehicle emissions plus there's the added impact on climate change, which is also a big deal.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Personally I agree that VWs actions were deliberate cheating and so are worse. Millions of people have respiratory problems worsened by vehicle emissions plus there's the added impact on climate change, which is also a big deal.

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It perhaps should be pointed out that NOx emissions, which is what we are talking about, have no impact on human health except in large cities with specific climatic conditions conducive to smog, and in ultra large cities. NOx emissions have no impact on climate change, but the measures taken to reduce NOx emissions, by decreasing maximum combustion temperatures, almost invariably increase CO2 emissions, which do impact on climate change.

But the whole point about VW's actions is not that their vehicles were emitting higher NOx levels than allowed, but that the software was designed to allow this while adjusting to meet emission standards when actually being tested. In other words, it was a premeditated evasion of the standards.

John

Fair enough point.