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That's your opinion being that reliability is bull****, and i see you have had bad luck.
We have had trouble free motoring from all our vw's, dsg included.
Worst thing we have had happen was a tiny split in an intercooler hose.
They have been much better and more reliable than any other cars we have owned, land rover included.
Honestly Vern, the dsg reliability issues are not my "opinion" their a documented fact. Simply do a search on warranty forced by Japan , USA and china on defective dsg. To get that response into law requires far more than one "opinion" it is from thousands of owners with the same issues.
Throw in the fact that a replacement gearbox is almost the value of the 6 year old car that was $50k new and it's designed obsolescence.
There are multiple types of vw dsg and it is the dry clutch dsg that had the issues
Had no issues with the wet clutch dsg my vehicle was fitted with
You said vw reliability, not reliability of the dsg gearbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by frantic
We only had one vw with this box and had no issues, the other 3 have been manual, and as i said have not had any dramas with them whatsoever.
I am not sure which version we had (2009 passat) , but if was flawless for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by incisor
I notice a lot of other car companies run a version of the dsg too
Ask a ford owner about their dsgQuote:
Originally Posted by Vern
Multiple class actions there....
The other dsg culprit is the ford focarse. It is also a major source off issues, to the point that ford don't sell dsg focus in USA. They put in a normal auto.Lemon laws and litigation would have nothing whatsoever to do with that[bigwhistle].......
The wet dsg is so reliable that there was another van same age as mine in getting the same job, ohh and supplies where in such great abundance ,piled up sitting on shelves gathering dust, that we only had to wait 2 weeks for a gearbox to be shipped in from Germany [tonguewink]. This is the same gearbox used in every auto Tiguan and multivan/Caravelle/transporter.... Not like they only sell 1 a month. Imagine calling Toyota and being told there are no RAV4 gearboxes here.
The problem is a 3 pronged one,
first design. The electrical control unit(called mechatronic unit$3500) is inside the gearbox, now sitting a computer in hot oil does not ensure longevity.
Secondly there is no trade discount or second had rebuilt devices. Go to a independent garage and they still have to pay full retail for a new gearbox. Now on a 6year old plus van, Tiguan or golf this will be close to or exceed the cars value.
Thirdly even if you get an independent specialist to replace either the entire box or the control unit, you still need to get it towed to a VW dealer to mate the box to the mechatronic unit and engine Ecu as vw keep all the codes under a security claim. This further increase the cost of any gearbox work.
Their not the only ones to do this and there is a big case being run against numerous manufacturers locking up their software unless a fee is paid.
You might ask how we know the cost of the mechatronic unit? Well the timeline was :gearbox fail, diagnosed by independent as mechatronic unit, went to vw to see as just outside extended warranty with full service history; offered 1/2 price mechatronic unit; we had no time to pick up that late so said would get next day; am get phone call from dealer gearbox is stuffed , diagnosed remotely by vw! ,so whole unit needs replacing, let the games begin........
2009 Passat was the dry, so you where lucky. Don't bother looking in the local vw watercooled forum as ANY negative posts get removed or heavily edited, almost like there's a VW employee admin????[bigwhistle]
we get it that you have an agenda
fair enough, you had a bad experience
the failure rate on the wet 6 speed dsg was by all accounts well below industry averages when i was doing my research
best gearbox i have ever had the pleasure of using IMHO
couldn't ever say the same for the integrity of the dealer network...
but thats another story
No agenda, but the way Oz was and is being treated compared to USA, china or Japan is disgraceful. Let's start with 500,000 plus recalls on dsgQuote:
Originally Posted by incisor
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Follow that with 1.6 million.
Volkswagen recall cars worldwide over faulty gearbox and light fuses | Daily Mail Online
And this one highlights our treatment v USA / china/ Singapore/Japan because the code is voluntary unless forced by a minister:
Faults that trashed a reputation
My agenda is that my wife and I where almost killed , and we would have left behind 5 kids 5-17, 2 with type one diabetes and none of our family have a clue how to manage their insulin needs, change a set, change or calibrate a CGM, set bolus carb ratios or correction ratios on their pumps. Our 11 year old can bolus himself for food, but our 5 year old cannot.
So when I see vw not only trying to hide it's mistakes, but actively threatening news outlets by withdrawing advertising if any negatives are published, and then forced into a 10 year warranty on known issues in numerous other countries, but screwing over numerous people here, it makes my blood boil. Throw in dieselgate and it's the cherry on the manure pile by vw