Regarding the front bumper. It would take a while remembering just how much it does protrude. Imagine the headlines if you gently accidentally rear ended the car in front at traffic lights.
"Grenadier rear ends woman and ruins her day "[bigwhistle]
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Regarding the front bumper. It would take a while remembering just how much it does protrude. Imagine the headlines if you gently accidentally rear ended the car in front at traffic lights.
"Grenadier rear ends woman and ruins her day "[bigwhistle]
Interesting... Thoughts?
I must admit that I agree with "some" of what he said, but doubt anything will change because while there is people willing to pay the money, they will continue to do what they do... It would be nice to be able to buy a basic version and then over time as u can afford it, build it up the way u want, but I think those days are behind us...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUsVoclFsuY
Although I think he has a point, I believe his "rant" kinda glosses over the "why" though. He does touch upon it when he discussed that de old defender was classless, from farmer to queen, anyone could drive a defender. The grenadier has tried to recreate the defender but it seems that it is aimed squarely at the upper market/class. I feel that it was a necessity for the brand to make the money they need to recoup their investment so it might make sense. Personally I was not into the grenadier experiment for that, I was in it to find a defender style and class vehicle with the best of all worlds preferably.
It also almost feels like he is a bit cross that they did not want to work with him, though I can imagine why since I do believe that he would be fair in his review and point out it's faults and that is not what they want.
Funny thing is, he did not mention the ridiculously low payload of the quartermaster, I am pretty sure he missed that else he would have said something about it.
Finally, the enthusiast is simply not a customer right now, we should look at that market in 5 years or something when they enter the second hand market.
-P
I agree with a lot of what he says. I definately agree about the seats. I think the Puma seats are excellent and the removable seat bases are a great idea. In my 110 200 tdi station wagon, I replaced the centre middle row seats with high back Exmoor seats because they offered better support for the kids when they were young. That was my decision and I could do it by myself in the back yard and I could afford to do it.
I agree with a lot of his sentiments. I agree with a lot of what Ineos have done with the quality of components used. Whether a very basic Grenadier would have sold is unknown but it would be more my cup of tea.
I think he makes reasonable points. I also think he's right on the unloaded testing. I see that though for all cars. My defender was as rough as hell until I put softer springs and airbags in.
Mine (diesel) arrived last week. 25km on the odo. A quick run down the Pacific motorway for 30km, top up the tank then home. The BMW 3litre diesel is extremely quiet. The 8sp ZF auto very smooth. At 100kmh there's very little wind noise and virtually no hum from the LT 265/70/17 BFG KO2 tyres. Bumps over broken bitumen are 'heard', rather than felt through the seat. Max torque (550Nm) is achieved at 1250rpm and is a flat curve all the way to 3000rpm. The max power band is from 3,200 -4,000 rpm
Cruise control at 90kmh is very stable... the vehicle sits happily in 8th gear with the engine note sharpening almost imperceptibly as the gradient rises ...but the digital speedo stays on 90kmh.
The (all manual) Recaro seats are comfortable and give good support.
Batteries (2) are located in a cabin-wide compartment under the rear passenger seat cushions along with multiple fuses, relays, a Smartpass 120s battery management system. The auxiliary battery is automatically switched into parallel mode to support the start battery if/when the start battery is low on power.
The overhead console switches take a bit of getting used to.
The head lights are LED ... excellent coverage. The two so-called "driving lights" in the centre grill section provide enhanced illumination on left and right shoulders as well as the intermediate distance. The myriad transient warning messages and so on reported elsewhere haven't been evident. A worldwide software update is due "soon"... whatever that means.
It has a central display including the digital speedometer. In front of the driver is a display about the size of slim rectangular envelope with a couple of dozen illuminated warning icons which extinguish a few seconds after the system has completed its self test, before starting the engine. The centre display operating system is a bit clunky. It has no standard mapping... relies on Apple Car Play or Android auto to provide mapping. The audio system is quite reasonable, includes AF/FM & DAB+ radio.
There are multiple pages and sub menus with all sorts of info previously only available on an OBDII display.
There's another app called "Pathfinder" which has no map itself but uses the vehicle's GPS plot "breadcrumbs"(waypoints) which can be overlaid on a map and set up a reverse path. There are two USB2 ports inside the central cubby (A and C sockets)which are low power and data for the central display as well as higher powered USB charging ports on the rear external face of the cubby.
The USB ports in the cubby can support a HDD or USB stick for music /maps data transfer.
There are several tie-down anchor points in the cabin which are attached with M8 bolts. Two lengths of aircraft-type L track with spring-loaded attachment rings are bolted to the floor in the cargo area.
So far so good!
Got an update saying they are offering 20% off Grenadier merchandise. Must be slow shifting.
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Interesting discussion with Aussie owners courtesy of Robert Pepper:
INEOS Grenadier - early owner experiences - YouTube
Learnt a fair bit in watching this... still my concern is fuel range and now the ability not to be able to be filled at a high flow bowser...Quote:
Originally Posted by one_iota
It was informative. The new Defender can be equipped with a Long Ranger tank but likewise won't accept a high-flow bowser nozzle! If I was a decade younger the Grenadier would have been a contender in my vehicle choices. I wish the marque well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robmacca