Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

Recognising the end user needs and the market regulations Toyota makes the engine without electronics for the African market. Remember the electronics are a layer on top they are not required for the engine to operate

This is common across sectors even tractors for India are built in a low tech version for the same reason

The market can be interesting as the age of the National vehicle fleet reflects the prosperity of not just the operator but also the nation.

As an admittedly generalisation for example Toyota has a fair size distributor in Ethiopia. When the vehicles are too worn out for this market they migrate south to Sudan. Then there is the final move from Sudan to Somalia.

Now perhaps they have not considered this market however am not sure the Grenadier in current form will appeal to this market as unless they do as Toyota have the second and third part of the ownership cycle will not be keen due to complexity.

Well, a mechanically injected 1HZ is possibly more reliable than the sun.

I'm noticing a few reports of the inevitable niggles that you'd expect in brand new vehicles. Apparently a driveline vibration is seemingly very common in the diesel. No fix yet.

My plan was always to wait for maybe a couple of years. Unfortunately they have now put the price up so much that I just can't see me being able to use it as a 4x4. Probably won't worry those driving around town in them. Oh well.

It's worth noting that all the people currently having cars delivered will have paid significantly less than list price. Which IMHO is quite a different equation.

The vibration issue could be a simple fix as on the old Defender 110 where a balancing weight is fitted to the rear shaft. Strange this did not show up during all of that pre launch testing.

Cant remember where it was on Sesame St, but I did see a Grenadier travelling south when I was coming down to catch the ferry home.
It wasnt travelling at the posted 110kph, think it was doing around 90-95kph. T'was in NSW so not sure if it was a local tootling down to the shops or a traveller.
Didnt seem to be loaded up with gear so maybe a local. Appeared to be similar to the old Deefer size wise.

cheers
DG

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Originally Posted by Tins

Well, a mechanically injected 1HZ is possibly more reliable than the sun.

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Yep. Sadly, I won't see 1,000,000 kilometres, with my future, driving age expectancy.

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This guy does good reviews.


INEOS Grenadier as a Touring 4x4? - YouTube

I enjoyed that. It was a pretty sensible over view. I take on board his comments on the engine bay seal. I know on the old Defender and series Land Rovers there was a gap or no seal as such when the bonnet was closed. To my mind this would help with keeping the engine cool. In Australia the seal will no doubt help keep out dust and sand but probably makes the cooling system work harder. Regarding the foot rest. I agree this could be a big factor on long journeys. I remember being in a charity tractor run in the series 111 2.25 diesel. Owing to the speed involved there was not much gear changing and I had to keep on moving my left leg and foot to stop it cramping up. So I think the automatic set up with the footrest could be an issue.

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Yep. Sadly, I won't see 1,000,000 kilometres, with my future, driving age expectancy.

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Time to do that big trip around Aus/World now.

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I enjoyed that. It was a pretty sensible over view. I take on board his comments on the engine bay seal. I know on the old Defender and series Land Rovers there was a gap or no seal as such when the bonnet was closed. To my mind this would help with keeping the engine cool. In Australia the seal will no doubt help keep out dust and sand but probably makes the cooling system work harder. Regarding the foot rest. I agree this could be a big factor on long journeys. I remember being in a charity tractor run in the series 111 2.25 diesel. Owing to the speed involved there was not much gear changing and I had to keep on moving my left leg and foot to stop it cramping up. So I think the automatic set up with the footrest could be an issue.

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A great review.

Overall,a much better off the shelf set up vehicle for touring than the new Defender.It is better in just about every way,except for having diff pumpkins to get hung up on.
And possibly fuel economy,which is not a huge issue.
Hopefully QC will improve to the standards of some of the others.
I like being able to see Auto temps,which is very handy when working a vehicle hard,particularly if towing,or in soft sand.
Being ladder frame,no doubt many accessories will turn up in the next few years.
That is where modern LR's fall down,having a monocoque design,making it very difficult to fit accessories,and no GVM upgrades,etc,to tow the bigger vans.

But i wonder when European manufacturers will see the light and increase fuel tank size.

We now have a vehicle with a bigger tank and a huge range,we find it very handy.It will be hard to go back to a smaller tank.

And for those that are pedantic about the cost of fuel(which is not me),with a bigger tank,one should be able to follow the fuel cycle and save a heap of $$ as well.