Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

Agree. Ground force from solid axles up to their limit of travel is greater in most cases.

The IG is not designed to have ultra travel, it’s pitched as a rugged tourer - and no issues with that at all, as a wheel in the air locked means 3 are still working and that’s better than an wheel on ground with no load on it - no load = no traction.


I’ll reiterate- we really like the IG. They’ve done a good job.
At a lower price point it would be easy to go for and take the chance.

Once it gets into its current pricing though I’ll stick with established gear. Heck, I wouldn’t bail at using a new LR as a full on tourer and would be perfectly confident it would do the job - even with its curves (which everyone seems to have an aversion to [emoji6])

I hope it (IG) does do well, and in a few years I’ll reconsider it.
We will still be taking a production version out for a run and see how it turned out.

I look forward to seeing one in our town at some stage!

Agree Tombie - Taking a production unit for a good drive is an absolute must for me, there’s no way I’m buying one based off the prototype. Hopefully on around 18 months or so - we should know a lot more about them and their future by then I should think.

Well I finally got to look over the Grenadier prototype today. Its been a while getting to WA and a mechanical issue earlier in the week delayed things by a couple of days.

Overall, I like it. Despite the rough edges, plethora of 3d printed parts and wear and tear, it still felt a very solid vehicle and reasonably refined. It certainly would be a suitable replacement for Charlie. Not too big, seating is comfortable, second row leg room is acceptable, the cargo area is big enough for my needs and it has enough refinements. From a passenger’s perspective it rides well, both in the front and rear seats. I think the rear seat fold down could have been better designed but its liveable.

Would buy one? Honestly I‘m not sure at present. I think the asking prices are fair for what they are offering, but $100K plus on roads makes one pause and think. Today the Trailmaster with alloys, side steps and cargo barrier would be my spec of choice but I would like to see a production version.

Other snippets of info I picked up in discussions:

• Luxury car tax is still in play and they have made a submission to the ATO for an exemption on the basis that the Landcruiser 70 series and Jeep Rubicon are both exempt. This will be resolved prior to vehicle deliveries starting, but $ will be applied on the initial order and adjusted if necessary, once the ATO decision is received.
• New Australian brochure is imminent which will have a lot more detail.
• ½ Cargo barrier apparently will meet Australian standards and is dual position.
• Trailer electric plug formats are still being finalised. You will be able to wire in an Anderson plug, but may need to fit either the Aux charge points or switch panel and electrical prep options. I’m not sure whether one or both will be required. That said it would be an easy run from the battery.
• They are talking to Redarc about electric brake controllers and may mount it in the overhead panel.
• Tow ball weight will be 350kg. Hitch receiver and ball will be both 50mm standard.
• Aux battery will be under rear DS passenger seat.
• Australian vehicle weights are not quite finalised. Expect some slight differences compared to overseas figures
• Air bags will not be in the front seats, My recollection is positions are front, side curtain and B pillar. 6 total.
• West Aust dealers will be Magic in Vic Park and Geraldton.
• A consumer grade diagnostic tool option isn’t in plan at present.
• Asia Pac spares warehousing and backup will be based in Melbourne.
• They are seeing up to 800km range on a tank in highway driving.

Cheers
Steve

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Originally Posted by Deefa

But keeping the wheels on the ground is the main thing. Attachment 178566

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The only advantage of taking the Mrs off roading....

For those Defence affiliated or themselves a DVA card holder, APOD (Australian Partners of Defence) have an offer to cover the cost of $1500 of any vehicle accessories for the Grenadier. You will need to be registered on their website.

Ineos working hard on the early buyer target market... It certainly helps as those options add up faster than most would like.

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Rok_Dr

Well I finally got to look over the Grenadier prototype today. Its been a while getting to WA and a mechanical issue earlier in the week delayed things by a couple of days.

Overall, I like it. Despite the rough edges, plethora of 3d printed parts and wear and tear, it still felt a very solid vehicle and reasonably refined. It certainly would be a suitable replacement for Charlie. Not too big, seating is comfortable, second row leg room is acceptable, the cargo area is big enough for my needs and it has enough refinements. From a passenger’s perspective it rides well, both in the front and rear seats. I think the rear seat fold down could have been better designed but its liveable.

Would buy one? Honestly I‘m not sure at present. I think the asking prices are fair for what they are offering, but $100K plus on roads makes one pause and think. Today the Trailmaster with alloys, side steps and cargo barrier would be my spec of choice but I would like to see a production version.

Other snippets of info I picked up in discussions:

• Luxury car tax is still in play and they have made a submission to the ATO for an exemption on the basis that the Landcruiser 70 series and Jeep Rubicon are both exempt. This will be resolved prior to vehicle deliveries starting, but $ will be applied on the initial order and adjusted if necessary, once the ATO decision is received.
• New Australian brochure is imminent which will have a lot more detail.
• ½ Cargo barrier apparently will meet Australian standards and is dual position.
• Trailer electric plug formats are still being finalised. You will be able to wire in an Anderson plug, but may need to fit either the Aux charge points or switch panel and electrical prep options. I’m not sure whether one or both will be required. That said it would be an easy run from the battery.
• They are talking to Redarc about electric brake controllers and may mount it in the overhead panel.
• Tow ball weight will be 350kg. Hitch receiver and ball will be both 50mm standard.
• Aux battery will be under rear DS passenger seat.
• Australian vehicle weights are not quite finalised. Expect some slight differences compared to overseas figures
• Air bags will not be in the front seats, My recollection is positions are front, side curtain and B pillar. 6 total.
• West Aust dealers will be Magic in Vic Park and Geraldton.
• A consumer grade diagnostic tool option isn’t in plan at present.
• Asia Pac spares warehousing and backup will be based in Melbourne.
• They are seeing up to 800km range on a tank in highway driving.

Cheers
Steve

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Thanks for the additional information, very useful. I'm still leaning 60 percent for and 40 percent not. Problem is my wife says 100 percent yes. She doesn't like 70 series cruiser or. Even 300. Plus we have always had land Rovers. The Grenadier is more of the spirit of land rover than landrover. My wife more keen than me, A dilemma I have never had before!

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Originally Posted by Deefa

Thanks for the additional information, very useful. I'm still leaning 60 percent for and 40 percent not. Problem is my wife says 100 percent yes. She doesn't like 70 series cruiser or. Even 300. Plus we have always had land Rovers. The Grenadier is more of the spirit of land rover than landrover. My wife more keen than me, A dilemma I have never had before!

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The fact that in terms of how it looks and the point of difference/interest factor is what will sell a lot of them to LR tragics mate. Jeez I am tempted and for me I know it would be heart over head at this point [emoji1787]

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Originally Posted by Rok_Dr

Well I finally got to look over the Grenadier prototype today. Its been a while getting to WA and a mechanical issue earlier in the week delayed things by a couple of days.

Overall, I like it. Despite the rough edges, plethora of 3d printed parts and wear and tear, it still felt a very solid vehicle and reasonably refined. It certainly would be a suitable replacement for Charlie. Not too big, seating is comfortable, second row leg room is acceptable, the cargo area is big enough for my needs and it has enough refinements. From a passenger’s perspective it rides well, both in the front and rear seats. I think the rear seat fold down could have been better designed but its liveable.

Would buy one? Honestly I‘m not sure at present. I think the asking prices are fair for what they are offering, but $100K plus on roads makes one pause and think. Today the Trailmaster with alloys, side steps and cargo barrier would be my spec of choice but I would like to see a production version.

Other snippets of info I picked up in discussions:

• Luxury car tax is still in play and they have made a submission to the ATO for an exemption on the basis that the Landcruiser 70 series and Jeep Rubicon are both exempt. This will be resolved prior to vehicle deliveries starting, but $ will be applied on the initial order and adjusted if necessary, once the ATO decision is received.
• New Australian brochure is imminent which will have a lot more detail.
• ½ Cargo barrier apparently will meet Australian standards and is dual position.
• Trailer electric plug formats are still being finalised. You will be able to wire in an Anderson plug, but may need to fit either the Aux charge points or switch panel and electrical prep options. I’m not sure whether one or both will be required. That said it would be an easy run from the battery.
• They are talking to Redarc about electric brake controllers and may mount it in the overhead panel.
• Tow ball weight will be 350kg. Hitch receiver and ball will be both 50mm standard.
• Aux battery will be under rear DS passenger seat.
• Australian vehicle weights are not quite finalised. Expect some slight differences compared to overseas figures
• Air bags will not be in the front seats, My recollection is positions are front, side curtain and B pillar. 6 total.
• West Aust dealers will be Magic in Vic Park and Geraldton.
• A consumer grade diagnostic tool option isn’t in plan at present.
• Asia Pac spares warehousing and backup will be based in Melbourne.
• They are seeing up to 800km range on a tank in highway driving.

Cheers
Steve

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That's very useful info, thanks Steve.
I'm wondering if the "Utility" version without the 3-person passenger seat might be the first candidate for LCT relief... but as the Jeep rubicon qualifies I'm thinking that the Jeep case was a "private" ruling which may flow to the yet-to-be announced IG dual cab, but not the station wagon, though they might accept the predominantly "cargo" nature of the "Utility" version for LCT relief. In the early specs, the "Utility" version had an optional 3 seat module in the cargo area. That's not in the latest specs -even the UK ones. There was early chatter about the Utility version in the UK being targetted for "Commercial" classification to qualify for UK tax relief. The latest specs seem to support that approach....

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Why we comparing a 300 series with a Ineos - they are a different class of vehicle - might as well as compare a Ineos with FF RR.

Need to compare apples with apples - Ineos competes with the Toyota 70 series in Aust - I really dont see anything else - except maybe for a basic Defender.

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I think an Ineos is more comparable to a LC300 or Prado than a 70 series.

70 series is part time 4wd, no auto, has the dreaded different rear track, leaf rears, and a far different price point without upgrades. The 70 series and Ineos are both boxy, that’s about it.

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Originally Posted by Rok_Dr

Other snippets of info I picked up in discussions:

• Luxury car tax is still in play and they have made a submission to the ATO for an exemption on the basis that the Landcruiser 70 series and Jeep Rubicon are both exempt. This will be resolved prior to vehicle deliveries starting, but $ will be applied on the initial order and adjusted if necessary, once the ATO decision is received.

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This is the Toyota LCT exemption ruling:

https://www.ato.gov.au/law/view/docu.../nat/ato/00001

Toyota's tax advisers evidently convinced the ATO that having a ladder chassis, solid axles and limited seating makes them exempt:

63. The Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule - Definitionsand Vehicle Categories) 2005, (ADR) (The Australian Design Rules)states that:A vehicle constructed for both the carriage of persons and thecarriage of goods shall be considered to be primarily for the carriageof goods if the number of seating positions times 68kg is less than50 percent of the difference between the 'Gross Vehicle Mass' andthe 'Un-laden Mass'.

65. From the information provided, in relation to the gross vehiclemass, un-laden mass and the seating capacity including the driver, itis concluded that the majority of the designed load carrying capacityof the LC70 vehicles is not attributable to their passenger carryingcapacity.

That doesn't really gel with one of the three listed vehicles being called a "Troop Carrier".

And presumably they didn't apply for an exemption for the Workmate Troop Carrier because it only seats 2 and is therefore presumably a commercial vehicle.