Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by ozscott

I am not a fan of having the speedo in the centre. It is counter-intuitive and an uncessary distraction from the straight ahead field of view. I hope they correct a few things with the second version (if that ever debuts) and there are some other things too. There is some real fan boy stuff on the Ineos Friendface pages about it being close to "perfect" now. I don't subscribe to that thinking at all. I think it likely that the vehicle will be unique in a very good way though. There are compromises that should be addressed, hopefully, if a second iteration comes along. Cheers

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Agree!

By contrast to comments I've read elsewhere about the various Ineos Facebook groups, the views and tone on the multinational and truly multicultural The Grenadier Forum are are far more considered and mature... somewhat akin to this forum[thumbsupbig]. The "one model" Ineos forum reminds me very much of the largely collaborative nature long ago of the original Rangerovers.net forum when there was just the Classic and the P38!

As with any new vehicle, there are inevitable compromises required, including the centre position of the speedo, RHD footrest position etc. All in all, most ineosforum posters seem to have taken a philosophical approach...e.g. install an aftermarket HUD which has a dial as well as digital speedo readout.

The Grenadier does have a second small rectangular screen within the driver's straight ahead view, but it is filled with illuminated icons and assorted "idiot lights"...

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Originally Posted by Hoges

Agree!

By contrast to comments I've read elsewhere about the various Ineos Facebook groups, the views and tone on the multinational and truly multicultural The Grenadier Forum are are far more considered and mature... somewhat akin to this forum[thumbsupbig]. The "one model" Ineos forum reminds me very much of the largely collaborative nature long ago of the original Rangerovers.net forum when there was just the Classic and the P38!

As with any new vehicle, there are inevitable compromises required, including the centre position of the speedo, RHD footrest position etc. All in all, most ineosforum posters seem to have taken a philosophical approach...e.g. install an aftermarket HUD which has a dial as well as digital speedo readout.

The Grenadier does have a second small rectangular screen within the driver's straight ahead view, but it is filled with illuminated icons and assorted "idiot lights"...

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Just saw I had left a second "not" out of my post [emoji1787]. Fixed now. I am not a fan of a dash that requires looking to the left to see a critical gauge. I like my speedo and tacho front and centre. Cheers

Agreed with all of the comments here. I have been researching the various brands of digital dashes available and some of these would probably work quite well. For relatively small cost one can mount a dash that communicates to the OBD port and displays everything you would need. I'm quite sure its not that easy though! Already thinking of modifying it even before getting it, in the best tradition of Land Rover owners.

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The local dealer - Ignition at Stafford has one there for inspection (no drives). It's one of the prototypes but it's a later prototype so was built at the factory off their tools. Looked fairly well finished.

Anyway.. had a quick look around it. From the exterior side.. in the flesh it has shorter front and rear over hangs than my 110. That surprised me. It looks a bit lower but it probably isn't in reality. I'm sure with a lift it will be fine. I had a quick look underneath. It's a bit more like a D2 in that the body comes down over the outside of the chassis rail. I can't see anyone magically finding a spot for significant extra fuel.

On the interior.. to be expected .. massive improvement over the defender. Much more comfortable. The rear cargo bay I don't think is anywhere near as deep as the 110 but it has much better access with the doors and less intrusion from the wheel wells.

I haven't put any money down yet but will take the family down for a good look over it next week. Will see what they say. Apparently there will be five production demos there in February available for driving. I think if it drives as well as it looks will probably order one. I'm not in any rush as there are a few desert crossings this year and I'm not sure I've got time to set a car up before them so next year would be fine with me.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

The local dealer - Ignition at Stafford has one there for inspection (no drives). It's one of the prototypes but it's a later prototype so was built at the factory off their tools. Looked fairly well finished.

Anyway.. had a quick look around it. From the exterior side.. in the flesh it has shorter front and rear over hangs than my 110. That surprised me. It looks a bit lower but it probably isn't in reality. I'm sure with a lift it will be fine. I had a quick look underneath. It's a bit more like a D2 in that the body comes down over the outside of the chassis rail. I can't see anyone magically finding a spot for significant extra fuel.

On the interior.. to be expected .. massive improvement over the defender. Much more comfortable. The rear cargo bay I don't think is anywhere near as deep as the 110 but it has much better access with the doors and less intrusion from the wheel wells.

I haven't put any money down yet but will take the family down for a good look over it next week. Will see what they say. Apparently there will be five production demos there in February available for driving. I think if it drives as well as it looks will probably order one. I'm not in any rush as there are a few desert crossings this year and I'm not sure I've got time to set a car up before them so next year would be fine with me.

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An advantage the Ineos has over any other new vehicle on the market is the roof load limit. From memory it is 200kg and I doubt they will delimit that for offroad use. So you have the ability to easily add say 3 x 25l jerry cans with plenty of room and weight capacity still for a rooftop tent etc. Whilst I like to keep the weight lower, this is still an option. Cheers

Just wondering why you feel you need 75 extra ltrs of fuel on board.

I don't think I can now drive anywhere and not be able to purchase fuel anywhere in a 4-500km radius.

My vehicle has a normal driving range of 850 km, makes carrying fuel a surplus requirement.

A few photos of the Grenadier at my local Noosa autogroup for interest. Roof rack looks good but didnt order one. Snorkel is good as well. Seat quality Recaros. I measured the rear seat and its a little higher that the front seats but not like an old defender which is a lot higher.Attachment 183146

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

Just wondering why you feel you need 75 extra ltrs of fuel on board.

I don't think I can now drive anywhere and not be able to purchase fuel anywhere in a 4-500km radius.

My vehicle has a normal driving range of 850 km, makes carrying fuel a surplus requirement.

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Mate I am thinking of dessert trips or exploring say Lakefield National Park or similar places at Cape York. Even if you don't want to pay exorbitant Island fuel prices when going to Fraser for example. Also the Ineos wont be getting 850k from its little tank when offroad or loaded and touring. I doubt it would get close to that on the bitumen. Cheers

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Originally Posted by ozscott

Mate I am thinking of dessert trips or exploring say Lakefield National Park or similar places at Cape York. Even if you don't want to pay exorbitant Island fuel prices when going to Fraser for example. Also the Ineos wont be getting 850k from its little tank when offroad or loaded and touring. I doubt it would get close to that on the bitumen. Cheers

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Exactly,since owning a vehicle with a large fuel tank,we have realised how convenient it is to have.

The max i could ever get in the D4 was 76L,which was a pain,particularly if towing.

And if you follow the fuel cycle,which i dont,a heap of $$ can be saved with a larger tank.