Thread: Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

Originally Posted by scarry

This guy does good reviews,here it is up against the best in the business.Interesting for the Defender owners as well.

4X4 Tourers Offroad: Grenadier, Defender, LC300, Patrol: Part 1 - YouTube

For that to be truly meaningful all vehicles should have been standard and have been wheeled by one independent driver. The various "extras" and tyre upgrades made the comparisons pointless imo. True, the Trialmaster would be the Gren of choice for off roaders. The Toyota sway bar disconnect would be a must tick option. Etc. The Defender was probably the closest to "out of the box" spec of all of them.

All that said, it was interesting. Anyone else notice the number plate games? Or did I imagine that?

Originally Posted by Tins

For that to be truly meaningful all vehicles should have been standard and have been wheeled by one independent driver. The various "extras" and tyre upgrades made the comparisons pointless imo. True, the Trialmaster would be the Gren of choice for off roaders. The Toyota sway bar disconnect would be a must tick option. Etc. The Defender was probably the closest to "out of the box" spec of all of them.

All that said, it was interesting. Anyone else notice the number plate games? Or did I imagine that?

When he asked up front "which one do we think will win" I mentally answered "The defender if everything stays working".

I was impressed at the Toyota Brake Traction Control. They were pretty rubbish at those systems but looks like they've been busy. The Grenadier BTC seemed very slow. You'd definitely want the lockers.

Originally Posted by Tins

The Defender was probably the closest to "out of the box" spec of all of them.

The 300 was 'out of the box",standard GR.

Defender could have been optioned up.Apparently it had the E diff,i don't know if that is an option anymore?

I don't think the same driver would make any difference, tyres could,but they all ran AT's,so no huge difference there.

The drivers all had to follow the same lines.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

When he asked up front "which one do we think will win" I mentally answered "The defender if everything stays working".

I was impressed at the Toyota Brake Traction Control. They were pretty rubbish at those systems but looks like they've been busy.

Defender had the E diff,the Tojo had only BTC,and did it just as easily.Having better wheel travel is a huge advantage in that type of test run.

The LC200 also has a brilliant BTC system,and the "Crawl Control" is fantastic.In fact Robbert Pepper has a vid where he couldn't drive a very rough incline,but crawl control did it.

Part two will be interesting.

I was surprised with the slowness of the Grenadiers TC to react. It would have done a lot better if thr TC had cut in earlier like all the others, the best of which IMHO was the Toyota.

Originally Posted by Xtreme

I was surprised with the slowness of the Grenadiers TC to react. It would have done a lot better if thr TC had cut in earlier like all the others, the best of which IMHO was the Toyota.

I suspect if you had a Grenadier without diff locks who had to rely on the BTC I suspect you'd want to be pretty circumspect in those sort of conditions. I don't think that's acceptable for that ilk of car.

It was no surprise to me about the grenadier TC as I was lucky enough to test drive a prototype late last year , the unit I drove had no tc or locking front or rear diffs and probablty out performed most other similar vehicles that had open diffs and no tc , when I asked the ineos bloke about it he said that this paticular prototype was not testing either but the production models would have limited tc as to keep the electronics required to a minium . A bit of a guess here but I think that stability control is a legal requirment and the tc is just a spin off of the stability control . There seemed to be a policy to keep electronics out of the drive train as much as posible and just go with the locking diffs .

Originally Posted by scarry

The 300 was 'out of the box",standard GR.

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GR is hardly "stock" as I meant it. It's only about $40K above the base GX.

The Landcruiser GX is followed in the 300 Series line-up by the GXL, VX, Sahara, GR Sport, and finally, the Sahara ZX.

Don't think the GX gets the e-KDSS system.