Air Malaysia missing.

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Originally Posted by joel0407

I just don't know why the ping in the black box is so primitive.

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Because the power to send sound through the water in comparison to RF in air is huge, and the power required to send RF through water is so much more again and the size of the aerial would be about 10 times larger than the aircraft - see the size of the VLF aerials at Exmouth.

Garry

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Originally Posted by garrycol

Because the power to send sound through the water in comparison to RF in air is huge, and the power required to send RF through water is so much more again and the size of the aerial would be about 10 times larger than the aircraft - see the size of the VLF aerials at Exmouth.

Garry

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So why not put it on the outside and design it to fall off and float.

Seams simple to me.

Happy Days.

Mine only weighs a couple of grams. They could have ten on the plane and just have all there staff have short hair to off set the extra weight. LOL


Happy Days.

All they need is a SPOT tracker velcroed to the dashboard, or even a paranoid passenger could blue tack their own SPOT tracker to their window.

give velocity, heading, altitude in 10 min intervals

they could tell a damn site more from a $150 investment than from a multi million dollar avionics suite, and the combined military and technology might of half a dozen countries, works for me

heres one a guy had in his Cessna on a flight from Greece to NZ
https://spotwalla.com/tripViewer.php...f52b9561331fe8

I guess it doesn't really matter. None of that would have saved their lives and it shows that answers to how or why the died isn't worth that much. Imagine how much LESS media would be making out of this if they had something like that fitted. It's actually cost effective not to have something like that fitted.

Happy Days

yes but if it did not crash, they would know where it 'dissapered to'
ummm perhaps the secret US base at Diego Garcia

as far as I'm concerned it hasn't crashed until a piece of wreckage can be found and identified as being from MH370 or at the very least from a 777

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Originally Posted by bob10

Well, at least this is real. No wonder they can't pinpoint the crash area by the debris, Bob


New garbage patch discovered in Indian Ocean -- Earth Changes -- Sott.net

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yeah, not to mention slightly submerged floating containers,
10,000 containers lost at sea every year,

http://www.worldshipping.org/industr...ard__Final.pdf

no wonder that 101 I ordered from UK never arrived

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Originally Posted by disco man

Its a shame that a lot of people in the public and in the government don't understand how good they really are truly a world class diesel sub IMO the best diesel subs in the world.

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I think the next subs we build will be world class.
Collins took a lot to get right.

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Originally Posted by joel0407

This is what we used.
UHF RF beacon

With a Yagi (directional) antenna we could pick up the tone from over 8km way. As the antenna is directional, once we had a tone, we had a direction. We would just draw a line on a map and then drive around until we got more tones. It sends out 3 fading tones (each tone has less transmission power) so the more tones you get, the closer you are. If you had the last tone then you were usually within 50m or so which could still be hard to find in thick bush but we could go further away and use the Yagi to get the direction and then draw 2 intersecting lines to get a more accurate location.

This all from a $50 RF beacon.

I know it would be hard to locate something like this below the sea but we used a yagi that someone could make it their back shed. I would thing with the right equipment you could make a dish to be far more directional and that would be even better for locating the thing. Then cut down the frequency the tones are sent and increase the signal strength accordingly.

All this from a $50 component that isn't in a million dollar planes.

I might have to start including my own in my luggage in the future.

Happy Days.

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more or less, thats what is inside the orange black box.

you were using it in ideal circumstances.

The ones that are in use in the black box are not in ideal circumstances.

Firstly they are transmitting from inside the black box AND often inside the Aircraft.

Secondly they dont always get a clear line of sight out of debry fields... and they dont always wind up with the antennae facing in a useful direction.

a very rough analogy for what the black box is up against and your scenario would be this.

Imagine if your plane flew into a dumpster then someone closed the lid. After that they moved the dumpster into a hire yard that delt soley with loaning out dumpsters on that day the yard had a complete hire out return. Theres 16 enterances into the yard and the guy on the forklift was a real jackson pollock when it came to placing the dumpsters.

you dont know when your container came into the yard or which enterance it came in on.

its 15 minutes to the closing time for the yard and you are 5 minutes away from the containers, you must exit the yard before they close.

Where is your RC plane?

On top of all of that, as with all things about the black box, if the pinger works, thats great. The purpose of the black box is to protect the recorded data thats inside the box, if the rest of it is shaken to shrapnel, it doesnt matter just so long as the data survives.

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Originally Posted by wrinklearthur

That's my fear as well.

How much damage could MH370 full of high explosives do in the middle of one of the Worlds largest cities? :(

Or loaded with a dirty Atomic bomb. :eek:
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Or not so large city.

https://www.g20.org/australia_2014/event_schedule