Another Malaysian plane down ...

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Originally Posted by vnx205

I assume you feel better now because self analysis is supposed to be beneficial and confession is supposed to be good for the soul. :)

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Clumsy.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

I thought at first that your comments might be directed at me, but realised that was most unlikely since I don't have an entrenched view on the topic and don't feel a need to convince anyone of any particular view.

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A not unexpected response really. I wonder what other explanations can be produced in defense of your seeming tendency to lazily and above all derisively shrug off alternate viewpoints/evidence as 'conspiracy theories' without furnishing evidence/rationale/analysis for this decision.

If there was an absence of entrenched views I guess I would have hoped to see some reflection following your startlingly casual dismissal of Russian MoD evidence. For example, such cynicism could be expressed to the ridiculous evidence presented in the initial article (hopefully read by now). There could also be an admission that the frequent and ongoing claims of Russian incursions - sans concrete or verifiable evidence - are particularly odious to a methodical and critical thinker such as yourself. As far as I can ascertain however your cynicism is reserved for opponent viewpoints - happy to be shown otherwise.

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That presentation by the Russian Defence Ministry contains a lot of claims and assertions, but not a lot of convincing evidence.

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What would you consider convincing evidence? I am genuinely interested.
Especially in context of the many vested interests, the palpable bias, the yawning abyss of hypocrisy and the baying for blood.

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I have confined myself to drawing attention to weaknesses in the case of people who clearly do have an entrenched view and are obviously demonstrating confirmation bias.

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That seems to be more of a mission statement than something you have actually done here, but by all means feel free do draw attention to weaknesses of my arguments, I'll wait.

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What would you consider convincing evidence? I am genuinely interested.
Especially in context of the many vested interests, the palpable bias, the yawning abyss of hypocrisy and the baying for blood.

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Russian Graves in Rostov on don
Russian POWs taken by the Ukrainians
Statements by Russian solders
Statement by the Russian government that they are withdrawing troops from the Ukraine.

seems like you are flogging a dead duck there.

look the BUK has an extreme range of 50 klm

ML 17 was at 30 000 ft that's about 9 klm

so about 49 klm dia from where the aircraft was hit.

Putin & Co cannot be serious!! after invading Ukraine now they warned Barack Obama that an offensive against Islamic State (Isis) within Syria would violate international law :eek: :mad: :censored:

Are these mob acting under the influence of vodka? looks like.............

An interesting article on the Preliminary report into the MH17 crash. It's interesting in that it poses a lot of questions that ought to be asked yet the mainstream media don't appear to have any interest in asking.

Malaysia Airlines Whodunnit Still a Mystery | Consortiumnews

Interesting article indeed make you wonder if there will be a final report where it will not "offend" any of the parties involved in the conflict.

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Interesting article indeed make you wonder if there will be a final report where it will not "offend" any of the parties involved in the conflict.

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An interesting article on the Preliminary report into the MH17 crash. It's interesting in that it poses a lot of questions that ought to be asked yet the mainstream media don't appear to have any interest in asking.

Malaysia Airlines Whodunnit Still a Mystery | Consortiumnews

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what was the brief or scope of the investigators?

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Putin & Co cannot be serious!! after invading Ukraine now they warned Barack Obama that an offensive against Islamic State (Isis) within Syria would violate international law :eek: :mad: :censored:

Are these mob acting under the influence of vodka? looks like.............

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It must be stated Russia is a friend of the current Syrian government. Has been from the start. Possibly just giving the message that this should not go beyond ISIS. If you look at what is happening in Syria, there are numerous groups fighting for their own interests, It could get .... complicated.... Bob

[ame="http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/701/b3923acad0ceprem-rapport-mh-17-en-interactief.pdf"]The Preliminary Report[/ame]

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Originally Posted by 85 county

Russian Graves in Rostov on don
Russian POWs taken by the Ukrainians
Statements by Russian solders
Statement by the Russian government that they are withdrawing troops from the Ukraine.

seems like you are flogging a dead duck there.

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What Ru Gov statement of the withdrawal of troops from Ukraine?? Please link!

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