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    Listening to the news about the plane crash in Indonesia, sounds to me like a partly blocked static air system. I thought airliners had at least two static air sources so I can't understand how something this simple could result in the loss of the aircraft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    Listening to the news about the plane crash in Indonesia, sounds to me like a partly blocked static air system. I thought airliners had at least two static air sources so I can't understand how something this simple could result in the loss of the aircraft.
    B737 has 3, including the standby. The big problem can be when a situation like this presents itself, identifying the side giving the incorrect information. Nonetheless, there is a memory checklist for ‘Airspeed Unreliable’.
    The scenario has been trained in recurrent sim sessions since the year dot, but has been at the forefront since the Air France prang a few years back.
    Any pilot worth his salt will know the attitude/thrust settings for various flight regimes, as this is the key to beginning the troubleshooting process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    And this is why i fly QANTAS
    Some airlines I refuse to fly in the region:
    Lion Air
    Malindo
    Garuda
    Air Asia

    Caveat emptor.

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    Wheren't the conditions clear VFR? I have no idea on heavys but don't you get some feedback on speed either control/noise/feel? I have worked in Indo for a while and used to dred flights. Last time I was on Loin air the aircraft from about 5 miles out on final was rolling 45 degrees side to side all the way down final till I thought they were going to ground the wingtip. I didn't fly Loinair after that but was forced to fly their lines like Batik. Every flight without exception the flight crew were smoking the entire flight, the pax cabin had consistant cigarette smoke. No pax or cabin crew were smoking so only alternative is pilots.
    The mob I was flying for for tax reasons were operating on CAR 135, the aircraft were maintained very badly and parts were replaced by cheaper non factory tagged or even worse local manufactured parts. The maintenance chief stated the factory that produced the aircraft had safety standards were too high and the price charged for spares was too high.
    Loinair will blame the aircraft manufacturer or the pilot, any blame will be deflected away from Lionair with the help of Indo authorities.

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    VMC it was. There is a very interesting bunch of videos on utube called ‘Children of Magenta’. Not saying that an airspeed unreliable was the cause. The DFDR will reveal all.

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    When I was working for Qantas years ago we were the ground handling agent for Garuda. After seeing the things their tech and cabin crew would try to bring through security I would never fly an Indonesian airline. They would blatantly try to flaunt IATA restictions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Jars View Post
    Some airlines I refuse to fly in the region:
    Lion Air
    Malindo
    Garuda
    Air Asia

    Caveat emptor.
    Is it still relevant advice that one should (where possible) only fly with airlines that are allowed to land/operate in Australia? The theory that CASA standards were higher than other countries.

    Although work flew me Malindo Air this year out of Brisbane and I vowed never to fly with them again.

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    Malindo, Garuda and Air Asia still fly to Australia. CASA (the regulator) is a sloth in dealing with this.
    I will not fly on them, even though they come here.
    Just being in the same airspace and listening to their radio work is alarming enough.

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    Thanks for the detailed information - I was hoping someone would come up with something like that. (My experience is limited to a wasp nest in the pitot tube of my Auster!)

    One perhaps relevant comment I have seen in relation to this accident is that the problem is probably not either a specific defect in the aircraft, or a specific lack of training, but the cultural attitude to safety and risk.

    (And lest we get above ourselves, have a read of some of the Australian airline operations not too many years ago!)
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