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    Ethiopian air lines flight goes down all killed

    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Another 737 Max8, apparently, and showed similar vertical flightpath deviations to Lion Air. Boeing may be in strife.
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    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    i think its premature to blame the plane before the investigation is done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eevo View Post
    i think its premature to blame the plane before the investigation is done.
    would you go on one ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goingbush View Post
    would you go on one ?
    well i dont think i would get on ethiopian or lionair, but Boeing, sure.

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    As one of the articles points out - crash investigators are not big on coincidences.

    Two near new aircraft crash in a manner that is very unusual (near vertical impact) in good weather. Different carriers, different parts of the world. Both are reported to have abnormal deviations from the planned altitude profile.

    One airline (Lion) is a new budget carrier with a slightly dubious record, the other (Ethiopian) is long established and highly regarded. Both are expanding, but this is likely to be the case with any 737Max customer.

    Almost the only obvious common factor is the aircraft model.
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    I understand that this new model has a new anti-stall over-ride procedure to earlier models that if not followed fully will not allow full manual control.
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    The Max uses much larger engines, set higher and further forward so they don't hit the ground. This changes the handling characteristics, but to avoid need to retrain pilots, they have an automatic stall prevention system that takes input from an angle of attack sensor and pushes the nose down to prevent stalling, regardless of what the pilot does. A malfunction of this system is suspected in the case of the Lion Air disaster - the angle of attack sensor had just been changed, but there seems to be some suspicion that the issue may have been the software, not the sensor.

    It was also apparent that the pilot training did not cover how to disable the system, but this information has been widely promulgated since then, and it is unlikely the crew of this flight did not know how to disable it. Of course, it is also possible that it was disabled, and the plane actually stalled.

    Two developments in the news this morning. The flight data and cockpit voice recorders have been recovered, and Boeing shares have plummeted. Most operators of the type have grounded them indefinitely, in the case of China, by government order, others by the operators.
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    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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