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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Jars View Post
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    So that is now being a recommended technique for manual trimming in all circumstances on all variants.
    But reluctance to do so is perhaps understandable when the MCAS has pitched the nose down and you are close to the ground!
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    One thing is that they will be the safest and most tested plane ever to be developed once they are back in service.
    I think the US authorities are a bit over the top after being embarrassed by their slackness.
    I will be happy to fly in one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    But reluctance to do so is perhaps understandable when the MCAS has pitched the nose down and you are close to the ground!
    Yes, but when you're working the problem you try whatever you can, especially if a ground contact is on the cards. We do a lot of facilitated learning and prior to the exercise, the checkie talked about simple aerodynamics and air loads, etc, (without telling us to try reducing the elevator input).

    As we went through the sequence, I thought it out and got the FO to try and wind the stab trim once all the automatics were disconnected (which he could, even with the maximum up-elevator that I could physically hold) but it did require some effort on his part. I just eased off the stick force a little as old mate was winding and he communicated that it was much easier. You only need to reduce the pressure-not release it. The rate at which the FO could now rotate the trim was sufficient to restore a controllable and almost in-trim state with a minimal loss of altitude. Fine-tuning the trim from there was easier, but still a crew coordination exercise.

    Reducing thrust and airspeed also made the whole exercise easier. We got up to about 300kt initially in level flight as the fault was introduced as we were levelling off (26K full climb thrust with no derate). That's why it's imperative to get the autothrottle out and minimise an airspeed increase.

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    , but still a crew coordination exercise.
    The whole crux of what happened, or DIDN'T happen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Farang View Post
    The whole crux of what happened, or DIDN'T happen!
    One way of looking at it - the other is that the whole episode should never have been able to happen.
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    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    737 MAX aircraft moved from Singapore to storage at Alice Springs.

    Boeing 737 Max planes moved from Singapore to Alice Springs 'graveyard'
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Sounds as if someone has little confidence in their being allowed to operate in the near future!
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    Boeing 737 MAX safety system vetoed , because of cost, engineer states.

    Boeing 737 Max Safety System Was Vetoed, Engineer Says - The New York Times
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Boeing staff sent text messages about 'real fundamental issues' with 737 Max safety in 2016
    Boeing staff sent text messages about 'real fundamental issues' with 737 Max safety in 2016 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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