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Thread: Cirrus' private jet can land itself, no pilot needed

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    As Hugh points out - while it may be technically possible for the aircraft to land itself, and perhaps there may be a few circumstances where this could be useful, I have trouble seeing it being legally accepted.

    I am reminded of a conversation I had with the skipper of a survey ship about fifty years ago after observing him steering the ship to keep to a preplanned track by keeping a needle centred in a display. He commented that it would be easier and would keep a more accurate track if the output of the navigation system was interfaced to the autopilot. He replied that they had suggested this, but there insurer had absolutely forbidden this on the grounds that it would encourage lack of attention on the part of the watchkeeping officer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4bee View Post
    But why HJ? One's own safety is at stake not to mention a few score of Pax & Crew.


    How is this allowed to happen? I'm one of the old school/olde fashioned who prefers to have one of you or your qualified colleagues up front thinking & acting for me & bugger the rough landing if it occurs.
    Hi 4bee,

    The issue of radio use is complex. you can break it down to 2 reasons - intentional and unintentional. Fortunately, unintentional is more common in my experience. the reasons can range from incorrect frequency tuned, radio not on, etc. Generally human factors stuff, which happens in every industry.

    The intentional non-user is rare, but potentially a significant threat. Reasons like a blunt refusal to use the radio, to not transmitting to avoid landing charges. Just really poor airmanship from people who shouldn't be flying.

    Some are concerned about their radio work (not using correct phraseology). When I was an instructor, I used to tell my students "if you can't think of the correct phraseology, just speak in plain English". The important thing is that we know the other traffic is there - preferably sooner than later, so that we can make a separation plan if necessary. A lot of trainees are foreign students. That makes it even harder for them, especially when they may only have a limited grasp of the English language.

    There's nothing worse than going into an uncontrolled airport where pilots don't talk to you. Having some bloke (not using his radio) turn in front of you on final can ruin your day. Going around in a B737 and recovering back into the circuit has a whole bunch of extra risks, especially if there's traffic in the circuit. And yes, I've had to do it a couple of times. I hate paperwork.
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    Just really poor airmanship from people who shouldn't be flying.
    Thanks HJ, that simpifies it & is probably the root cause.

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    [QUOTE=Hugh Jars;2949017]Hi 4bee,
    There's nothing worse than going into an uncontrolled airport where pilots don't talk to you. Having some bloke (not using his radio) turn in front of you on final can ruin your day. Going around in a B737 and recovering back into the circuit has a whole bunch of extra risks, especially if there's traffic in the circuit. And yes, I've had to do it a couple of times. I hate paperwork.[/QUOTEI
    Some examples of overusing and abuse of radio.
    A fellow inbound gives 8 calls from inbound to landed and clear with no traffic (I would give one inbound and another joining), as well as people doing circuits on a remote field making 5 calls every lap and nobody within 5o miles on the standard (Stupid) CASA proceedure of having most uncontrolled airfields in Australia on the same frequency.
    Also some medium twins pusing their way into circuits, calling 5 mile final then taking 9 minutes to be on short final thinking they have the absolute rite to do push in.

    A common one, Ultralight inbound calling "All stations Smallville......................ahhhhh............ ..32-7474 a blue and white airborne edge delta trike mark.................... 3 is 19.7 nautical miles to the southeast on the 137 radial estimating Smallville at 0327 Zulu planning to join number one midfield crosswind for 33 left circuit.......................all stations...............................Small...... ....ville."
    I think overuse of radio is as bigger problem as no use.
    CASA making nearly every airfield (Uncontrolled) in Australia use the same radio frequecy is typical of their "No idea" approach to GA.
    I might add the regional Dash 8's are the most courteous I have struck, good onya Hugh.

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