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Thread: Cirrus' private jet can land itself, no pilot needed

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    Cirrus' private jet can land itself, no pilot needed

    Not for me. I like to see a pilot in control. Self driving cars still crash.


    Cirrus''' $2 Million Vision Jet Now Lands Itself, No Pilot Needed | WIRED
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    You realise large passenger planes have (and do) land themselves for years now? Still have Pilots but they can if needed and hopefully some of the Pilots here can tell us how often this happens?
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    If that is the big Red Button on the Port wingtip it would be a bit of a bastid to get to.

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    I don't know if that system will ever be approved, especially in controlled airspace. The aircraft can't just go off and do what it wants without a clearance in what might be very densely populated airspace. Further (and only one scenario), what if it's making it's landing approach and the runway's occupied? Is it going to land over (or into) the occupying aircraft? Making pre-recorded radio broadcasts doesn't cut it. That assumes the radio is on the correct frequency and all aircraft in the airspace are monitoring. I go to places now where other pilots cant (or won't) use the radio.

    I can think of dozens of other scenarios that would preclude this sort of thing.

    Autoland is nothing new. It's been a round since the 60s. To be able to carry it out requires the aircraft, the crew and the airport to be qualified. All very complex and sone quite stringent requirements, too.

    For the crew alone to become autoland qualified requires at least 4 hours in the simulator, carrying out around 20 or so scenarios. Only one of those involves a normal situation. So you can gather there are a lot of things that can go wrong.

    One thing a computer is incapable of doing is critical reasoning. And that is why there will always be humans at the controls for the foreseeable future

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    Homestar,

    In Oz, we don't need to do autoland very often (operationally). Fortunately, the weather here is good for the most part. Generally some (autoland qualified) pilots will go their whole careers without doing one in anger.

    But in terms of recency, etc, we get checked every sim session (every 6 months for my company), plus we'll routinely carry out practice autolands during normal line flights at those airports that are approved. That number varies per pilot, as there's only a handful of airports in Oz that are approved, and you might go a couple of months without landing at one. Also, it depends on arrival traffic density at the airport. If the weather's good, ATC process arrivals at a much higher rate than when low-vis (autoland) procedures are in progress. So, to do an autoland generally requires the aircraft to fly slower on the appproach. That's not something you want to do without ATC knowing first, as you could reduce separation with the following traffic, which is undesirable.

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    I go to places now where other pilots cant (or won't) use the radio.

    But why HJ? One's own safety is at stake not to mention a few score of Pax & Crew.


    How is this allowed to happen? I'm one of the old school/olde fashioned who prefers to have one of you or your qualified colleagues up front thinking & acting for me & bugger the rough landing if it occurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Jars View Post
    One thing a computer is incapable of doing is critical reasoning. And that is why there will always be humans at the controls for the foreseeable future
    Yes - you only have to look at the Sydney Metro which constantly decides to do it own thing causing issues and safety concerns - and is just a driverless train not a pilotless aircraft.
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    Yeah, they could have one of the redundant Drivers just sitting there & overseeing the controls & operation. That would save a heap of money. Not.

    Has the lack of a 'proper' Driver caused any accidents yet?

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    Hmm! Well the long standing joke about pilotless aircraft of the future is:

    The flight crew will consist of one man and one dog. The man is there to feed the dog and the dog is there to bite the man if he attempts to touch any of the controls.

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    And there is the old one about the Qantas pilot who submitted a fault report "auto landing operation rather rough on this aircraft". The reply from engineering "auto landing not fitted to this aircraft".
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