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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Forward bases, subs, missiles and aerial refuelling sound logical to me, but I'm no expert.

    More desalination plants, and a proper water management policy , fully funded, sounds better to me. It's too easy to get caught up in an arms race, we have to determine what our long term priorities are. I have been guilty in the past of focusing on defence at all costs. Not so sure now. We can't afford top shelf.
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Yes, why are some people so keen for war with China? Do they want to revive the discredited 'Yellow Peril' and 'Reds under the beds' rubbish? Sounds a dumb idea to me.
    Do we want to crash out economy? The Chinese want to do business, not invade. Let's stop waving guns around like stupid Trump and instead concentrate on doing business to the advantage of Australia.
    War is not in Australia's best interests. Trade is very good for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Yes, why are some people so keen for war with China? Do they want to revive the discredited 'Yellow Peril' and 'Reds under the beds' rubbish? Sounds a dumb idea to me.
    Do we want to crash out economy? The Chinese want to do business, not invade. Let's stop waving guns around like stupid Trump and instead concentrate on doing business to the advantage of Australia.
    War is not in Australia's best interests. Trade is very good for us.
    Michael, the problem is CCP influence in our political affairs, and the wider region.
    It is overt.

    Having lived in Canberra for a number of years and worked around ANU for some of that time the influence the CCP was trying to exert via students and business was obvious.

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    My mate did his PhD at Canberra's ANU and he mentioned the CCP 'influence' on several occasions.
    Life is just a series of obstacles preventing you from taking a nap.

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    Yep, of course the Chinese are trying to influence us. So are the Yanks, British, French, Canadians, Indonesians, Japanese, Germans, Russians, Indians and others. The Brits own more of Australia than the Chinese.
    Everybody tries to influence everyone else. That's world politics.
    We're certainly trying very hard to influence other countries to our advantage. That's how the game is played.
    Are we going to throw childish hissy fits about this, or are we going to grow up and act like nature adults?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    The Brits own more of Australia than the Chinese.
    given they founded australia, is that really suprising?

    i work in IT security and for the most part, the only worry we have here in Aust is china. not Russia, not Indonesia, etc

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    Unless of course you work at Pearce Airbase North of Perth, where the main worry is the Singaporians....
    Life is just a series of obstacles preventing you from taking a nap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Yep, of course the Chinese are trying to influence us. So are the Yanks, British, French, Canadians, Indonesians, Japanese, Germans, Russians, Indians and others. The Brits own more of Australia than the Chinese.
    Everybody tries to influence everyone else. That's world politics.
    We're certainly trying very hard to influence other countries to our advantage. That's how the game is played.
    Are we going to throw childish hissy fits about this, or are we going to grow up and act like nature adults?
    The Chinese influence is very different, as the repeated cyber attacks on public and private institutions illustrate.
    ANU had everything hacked last year, names addresses, everything siphoned off.
    The CCP are much more aggressive than everyone else, and their bellicose and bullying attitude to their neighbours and anyone that disagrees with them is concerning.
    South China Sea anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cripesamighty View Post
    Unless of course you work at Pearce Airbase North of Perth, where the main worry is the Singaporians....
    is that the training school?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cripesamighty View Post
    Unless of course you work at Pearce Airbase North of Perth, where the main worry is the Singaporians....
    Republic of Singapore 130 Squadron. And Squadron training aircraft. Probably safer than training over Singapore. For the Singaporeans.
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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