Pssst want 400 cheap 737s?

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

the Electra was used extensively by Australian and New Zealand's international and domestic airlines (Qantas, TAA, Ansett, TEAL etc), giving good service until replaced by jets from about 1970.

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In March 1970** (honeymoon), my wife an I flew in one from Melbourne to Tassie (up north as we had to collect our car from the ferry terminal). We were seated in the rear in seating like that of a suburban railway carriage rear compartment, ie., facing the other passengers.

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** Edited: my wife says we got married in 1970 - I bought the Hillman Hunter in 1971. [biggrin]

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Originally Posted by bob10

There were more problems with Boeing than met the eye.

Boeing ex-manager warned of a 'factory in chaos'

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Like it or not, the Captain(s) of the Ship - boat, plane train or corporation, are the ones who set the standards and tone of that environment. And they bear the responsibility and consequences, criminal or creditable.
- Even the driver of a car, can be held accountable for the continued behaviour of his/her passengers - when said pax harm other people etc.

Like all shrt-sighted money-grubbers, the Manager alluded to in the video link lost $quillions more on earnings than 'fixing' Production Line problems could ever have cost.
Do we know a politician or three with a similar mindset ?

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

If they ever get recertified, they will be as safe as any other airliner - but that will still not convince passengers to fly in them or airlines to buy them.

But as this saga continues, I am beginning to have doubts whether they will ever be recertified without major modifications. Even as they sit, these planes have a substantial value - each has two zero hours engines of the latest type (sell to Airbus?), and the airframe can certainly be used as the basis for a new variant, or even to build more NGs by fitting different engines and relatively small modifications. (whether passengers would want to fly in them may be another matter!

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They will pro'ly just fit them with new engines and/or controls and then rename them as 737 Ultras or some such and start selling them again.

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Originally Posted by Roverlord off road spares

if they are too unsafe then what pilot is going to risk their life to fly them as a freighter or fire bomber?

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Older pilots...(I would...) In the US, there's a significant % of crop-dusters who are beyond Retiring Age...

Once the cause(s) of the crashes is clearly understood, a well-trained "bomber" pilot should have little difficulty in coping with it. With bigger and faster fires happening on every continent, Boeing could turn this around with excess inventory sales plus a Corporate Reputation saviour.


- Fire-fighters worldwide will benefit from the flying public's fear ! [biggrin]

Our cash-strapped / $quandering Federal Govt might even buy one...

Could the RAAF update their Poseidon ASW fleet by 400+? Might be a bargain, the likes we could never see again.

[insert tongue in cheek smiley here.]

P-8A Poseidon | Royal Australian Air Force

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

And, few today remember that the Orion is a development of the Lockheed L-188 Electra. And what does Wikipedia have to say about the Electra?

" Initial sales were good, but after two fatal crashes that led to expensive modifications to fix a design defect, no more were ordered."

They had an unfortunate "whirl mode resonance" that led to the wings falling off.

Extensive airframe modifications led to their being quite successful, but not in their primary market in the US. However, with communications nowhere as good as today, the Australian travelling public had not heard of the crashes, and the Electra was used extensively by Australian and New Zealand's international and domestic airlines (Qantas, TAA, Ansett, TEAL etc), giving good service until replaced by jets from about 1970.

Given both the Comet/Nimrod and Electra/Orion history, the future of the 737MAX seems quite clear!

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(Qantas, TAA, Ansett, TEAL etc)

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As well as BCPA.

British Commonwealth Pacific Airlines

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Originally Posted by p38arover

In March 1970 (honeymoon), my wife an I flew in one from Melbourne to Tassie (up north as we had to collect our car from the ferry terminal). We were seated in the rear in seating like that of a suburban railway carriage rear compartment, ie., facing the other passengers.

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Had a similar experience in an Air Zimbabwe Viscount in the mid 80’s. But it was the front row of seats against the forward bulkhead facing the other passengers. An interesting couple of flights for all sorts of reasons, just after independence but still fighting going on.