Sadly, 176 people have died in air crash in Iran

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

Yes, not confirmed as yet, and seeing the news footage of the "remains", it's hard to comprehend how any definite conclusion could be made from them, but conclusions do get made don't they, and interesting to note, the footage spent some time looking at suspicious "holes" in the remains of the plane's fuselage, similar to those seen in the Ukranian disaster.
Pickles.

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It's looking increasingly likely to be what I suggested.
But, apart from that, what I find increasingly distasteful, is the emphasis of "excusing" & "downgrading" , and quietening the incident, at the expense of any mention of the heartbreak & loss suffered by all of those affected by the death of all of the 176 innocent human beings on board.
Pickles.

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Originally Posted by goingbush

Lets face facts,
Accident or no accident, the Aircraft would not have been shot down if Trump had not assassinated General Soleimani .

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I assume from this that you are also not ok with Obama assassinating Bin Laden? Or is your comment politically motivated? Might be better posted in CA

It's fascinating to me how quickly people jump to blame Trump for EVERYTHING. It doesn't matter what.

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jars

The third option, John, is a sudden and catastrophic breakup (structural failure) of the aircraft. That's extremely unlikely (on a B737, at least). They are literally built like tanks. In any instance a sudden breakup could only be the result of an explosion.

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Yes, so unlikely that I had not even considered it. There have been incidents of airliners suddenly breaking up in flight without any explosion - Comet and Electra come to mind, but these were new types only just entering service, not a tried and tested type. Also a few cases where the airframe is subject to extreme stress such as by gross overspeeding or in extreme weather, but none I can think of in normal weather during an apparently normal departure.

The other possibility, of course, is a midair collision, but there has been no suggestion of another aircraft being involved.

And several cases that come to mind of major structural failure that did not result in immediate loss of communications - e.g Aloha 243, Japan Airlines 123 and UAL 811.

Just what you need on a Crash site... Bulldozers. Not.


There was me thinking the best way of investigating a crash was leave well alone until given the ok to clean up. How naive am I?

Instead, there appeared to be all sorts walking all over the site & disturbing the evidence & taking bits away.

Suspicious? Moi?

film from site, appears to have been cleared very quickly
https://mobile.twitter.com/RuptlyVU/...55709603442688

I read the aircraft was only 3 years old, was said to be the best in the airline's fleet and had only been serviced two days previously, so you would think that makes mechanical failure unlikely.
Tragic, just tragic.

It's official. A missile shot it down.


Iranian Missile Accidentally Brought Down Ukrainian Jet, Officials Say - The New York Times

and from Ukraine.

Ukrainian flight crew tried to turn back before crash: authorities | News | DW | 09.01.2020

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Both of the plane's "black boxes," which contain the aircraft's data and communication records, have been recovered — but some memory has been lost due to damage, Iranian authorities said.

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Abdul with a Mash Hammer perchance?


"Just make it look like an accident Abdul, & chuck some dirt over it."



A reasonable person might think the reason for lack of communication was that as it happened so quickly there were other pressing duties by the Flight Deck to take care of, like the lives of 176 souls, but alas it was suddenly all too late.

Now here is a report from the Gasp! Murdoch News limited press.I leave it to you whether you think it is just another part of the great News Limited conspiracy or actually true.

Iran has announced that its military ‘unintentionally’ shot down a Ukrainian jetliner, killing all 176 aboard.

The statement came Saturday morning and blamed “human error” for the shootdown.The jetliner, a Boeing 737 operated by Ukrainian International Airlines, went down on the outskirts of Tehran during takeoff just hours after Iran launched a barrage of missiles at US forces.Read Next

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Iran had denied for several days that a missile downed the aircraft. But then the US and Canada, citing intelligence, said they believe Iran shot down the aircraft.The plane, en route to the Ukrainian capital of Kiev, was carrying 167 passengers and nine crew members from several countries, including 82 Iranians, at least 63 Canadians and 11 Ukrainians, according to officials.AP

Yes, they've admitted it and said those who did it would be held responsible.

Iran admits to 'unintentionally' shooting down plane
Iran blames human error for 'unintentionally' shooting down Ukrainian plane - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)