Sadly, 176 people have died in air crash in Iran

'They died immediately': Missile hit plane's cockpit from below, Ukraine says, as crash footage emerges
Iranian missile hit plane's cockpit from below, Ukraine official says, as crash footage emerges - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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Originally Posted by bob10

If people want to make this a discussion of their political belief, move it to CA.

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A bit of the kettle calling the pot black there Mate [biggrin][bigwhistle]

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

'They died immediately': Missile hit plane's cockpit from below, Ukraine says, as crash footage emerges
Iranian missile hit plane's cockpit from below, Ukraine official says, as crash footage emerges - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

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And that makes it OK does it Mick???

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Originally Posted by trout1105

A bit of the kettle calling the pot black there Mate [biggrin][bigwhistle]

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You may not be aware, but I have you on my ignore list. So troll away all you like.

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Originally Posted by bob10

You may not be aware, but I have you on my ignore list. So troll away all you like.

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HeHe Get over yourself Bob , The very last thing in the World that I would worry about is If you read my posts or not.[bigwhistle]

Considering that the most Prolific reply's to the threads that you endlessly "Cut and paste" to this forum is yourself how on earth do you actually find the time to read what I post anyway?? [biggrin]

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Originally Posted by trout1105

And that makes it OK does it Mick???

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Where did I say that?

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Originally Posted by trout1105

And that makes it OK does it Mick???

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At least it's an indicator that perhaps the suffering was shorter than longer.
Small mercies and all that.

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Originally Posted by AK83

This!
I had an Iranian friend at my old work, sitting chillin having a 'chrissy' period beer after work.
The story he told us of his woes .. not falling into line with government brainwashing cost him some family members, a business, and eventually fleeing to Aus.
All because he was apathetic towards politics and religion.
Now it wasn't the actual government .. who predominantly does care one iota for the population, but it's the government directives, messages to local religious leaders to make sure that the civvies fall into line in totality.
If not, basically persecution.
The way he described it, so that we can understand it, is that national govt policy is <insert whatever fanatical directive here>, this is filtered down to what amounts to council leaders.
Council leaders have personal vendettas to pursue, in effect, what they like to say and do, is like a law unto itself, so makes for a dogs breakfast of the government policy directives.
So the actual issue is that there are no checks and balances on the council leaders revenge biases against whoever.

Hence we have monumental humanitarian catastrophes, simply because some jealous/vengeful bastard in 'local religious leadership' .. which leads to what most far right followers see as too much foreign immigration .. and boat people sagas.

Anyhow, the sooner the yanks get themselves out of the mid east, the quicker the mid east states will begin the process of obliterating each other with their own micro wars, and eventually the area will quieten down at some point in the future.

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We've had a couple of Iranian families come to our Church, both lovely, & hard working.
From what they tell me, You can call it what you like, and I don't know whether you'd call it the Government or not, but it's the "people who make the rules", maintain & carry out those "rules", and severely (not unusually by death) punish those they see as "offenders", that are the problem. And yes, the majority of the population are terrified. They would like to do something about it, but they are basically too frightened.
Pickles.

Yes, the society seems deeply divided and the zealots terrorise the ordinary people.

Protests and teargas as Iran faces public anger over aircraft downing

Protests and teargas as Iran faces public anger over aircraft downing | World news | The Guardian

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Originally Posted by Pickles2

We've had a couple of Iranian families come to our Church, both lovely, & hard working.
From what they tell me, You can call it what you like, and I don't know whether you'd call it the Government or not, but it's the "people who make the rules", maintain & carry out those "rules", and severely (not unusually by death) punish those they see as "offenders", that are the problem. And yes, the majority of the population are terrified. They would like to do something about it, but they are basically too frightened.
Pickles.

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One point I forgot to add.
One of the persons that I mentioned was very "Angry" with the Americans, sort of "sneered" at them,........but not for the reason you might think.
As I've said, it appears there is little that the Iranian people can do to change the "Regime", although they would like to. This person gave me the impression that many had expected America, in view of rhetoric etc, to "do something" about the regime, but, in reality, had done nothing of any consequence, "leaving them in the lurch"/ helpless, so to speak.
Now I make no secret of the fact that when the Iraq war started, I was all in favor, "Stormn Norman", & all that. But looking at the aftermath, I wonder if the same would occur in Iran. It seems to me that many of these countries can only function under the dictatorial, and yes certainly cruel & inhumane rule, currently existing in this part of the World.
Pickles.