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Thread: Sadly, 176 people have died in air crash in Iran

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickles2 View Post
    One point I forgot to add.
    One of the persons that I mentioned was very "Angry" with the Americans, sort of "sneered" at them,........but not for the reason you might think.
    As I've said, it appears there is little that the Iranian people can do to change the "Regime", although they would like to. This person gave me the impression that many had expected America, in view of rhetoric etc, to "do something" about the regime, but, in reality, had done nothing of any consequence, "leaving them in the lurch"/ helpless, so to speak.
    Now I make no secret of the fact that when the Iraq war started, I was all in favor, "Stormn Norman", & all that. But looking at the aftermath, I wonder if the same would occur in Iran. It seems to me that many of these countries can only function under the dictatorial, and yes certainly cruel & inhumane rule, currently existing in this part of the World.
    Pickles.
    I certainly agree you can't impose a foreign electoral system and expect it to stick. That has failed in Afghanistan and Iraq.
    Iran is one of the oldest societies on Earth and they will not submit to foreign domination. Historically, the regimes were powerful city states run by dictators who conquered their neighbours. There is no history of democracy.
    They drove out the British, deposed the Shah who was imposed on them by the USA, and defeated the invasion by Saddam, backed by the USA.
    They also drove out the foreign oil companies and seized control of their own oil reserves.
    When the Americans try to bully Iran, it just strengthens the radicals and makes it harder for the moderates. Obama's nuclear deal strengthened the moderates. When Trump rejected the deal, the radicals became more powerful and nuclear activities resumed.
    If the West wants a peaceful, rational Iran, it has to stop trying to bully them. Iran will never bend the knee.

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    It seems to me that some countries need a Despot to rule them like it or not, & when a vacuum occurs the countries seem to run into all sorts of Civil disorder. Iraq, Libya & probably others that are generally not known. Australians wouldn't tolerate it but the above two were like chooks with their bonces missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4bee View Post
    It seems to me that some countries need a Despot to rule them like it or not, & when a vacuum occurs the countries seem to run into all sorts of Civil disorder.
    correct, they need an iron fist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickles2 View Post
    One point I forgot to add.
    One of the persons that I mentioned was very "Angry" with the Americans, sort of "sneered" at them,........but not for the reason you might think.
    As I've said, it appears there is little that the Iranian people can do to change the "Regime", although they would like to. This person gave me the impression that many had expected America, in view of rhetoric etc, to "do something" about the regime, but, in reality, had done nothing of any consequence, "leaving them in the lurch"/ helpless, so to speak.
    Now I make no secret of the fact that when the Iraq war started, I was all in favor, "Stormn Norman", & all that. But looking at the aftermath, I wonder if the same would occur in Iran. It seems to me that many of these countries can only function under the dictatorial, and yes certainly cruel & inhumane rule, currently existing in this part of the World.
    Pickles.
    I really didn't want to jump into this politicised flight thread, but I give you this advice. Buy and read' FIASCO, the American military adventure in Iraq' by Thomas E Ricks. Check it out on Amazon, or similar site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickles2 View Post
    One point I forgot to add.
    One of the persons that I mentioned was very "Angry" with the Americans, sort of "sneered" at them,........but not for the reason you might think.
    As I've said, it appears there is little that the Iranian people can do to change the "Regime", although they would like to. This person gave me the impression that many had expected America, in view of rhetoric etc, to "do something" about the regime, but, in reality, had done nothing of any consequence, "leaving them in the lurch"/ helpless, so to speak.
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    Conspiracy theory hat on!
    There is a 99.99% probability that the US don't want to change the Iranian regime.
    Unless a US pres is elected that has zero ties to their military industrial string pulling puppeteers, there is no chance that the US would want any ending of hostilities between middle eastern factions. it's not good for business, so to speak.
    So while they may want to get themselves out of there, that doesn't mean they want to see peace!
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    Every president has to have there war.
    Trumpy is running out of time.

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    And bugger everyone they get involved! Maybe he'd like to pick up a gun & go & fight his own war. away from civilisation.

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    I doubt that, since he repeatedly dodged Vietnam by running some bull excuse.

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    Don't know about Trump, but George Bush the younger certainly appeared to get squirreled away to some Nat. Air Guard backwater & apparently did bugger all service. Daddy's influence? I'll leave you to judge that.

    Edited. Ah ha, seems Trump was a coward as well. No further comment.




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    Hey Mods....

    Mods, is there any chance that the political garbage becoming prevalent in this thread could be consigned to CA where it belongs??

    I started this to make people aware of a tragedy, not to begin some sort of political bashing exercise.

    I have received warnings from mods for far less than what is going on here.
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